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c/asklemmy · by Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 66d

Any good books on conciousness?

Had an interesting conversation on the science of consciousness a while back and realized there is a lot I don't know.

Can anyone recommend a recent book that covers the overall basics, such as the different theories (like antenna/etc) and physics overlaps?

My only requirement is scientific references. I dont want or need cited peer reviewed papers, but I don't want an author's sole opinion, either.

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finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 65d

Any good books on conciousness?

Not that I'm aware ...

OnscreenDust@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 66d (1 reply)

I Am a Strange Loop by Douglas Hofstadter

BrambinagStoneboots@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d

And "Gödel Escher Bach", also by Hofstadter, which is basically the foreword to Strange Loop.

luthis@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 66d (4 replies)

Yes. Shadows of the mind, roger penrose

Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d (3 replies)

Given that this is from 1989, does it hold up now? My understanding is a lot has happened since then.

Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 66d

Not in regards to studying consciousness. We knew nothing then and we know nothing now.

luthis@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 65d

Yes it definitely does.

CeffTheCeph@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 65d

My favourite part of that book is where Penrose perfectly describes what today we call AI deepfakes and how the 'bottom-up' algorithms that run all our AI tech today will never lead to actual consciousness, or sentience in machines.

His arguments do still hold up today, and give an interesting perspective on our current AI bubble that keeps promising AGI is just around the corner.

stringere@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 65d

Maybe a bit off the beaten path but: The Doors of Perception, Alduous Huxley.

pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 65d (2 replies)

I read A Brief Tour of Human Consciousness by V. S. Ramachandran a long time ago and found it super interesting. Might be a bit dated by now though.

Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 65d (1 reply)

The synopsis for this one makes it sound like only the end is about consciousness, and other parts are either about other neural topics or societal standards. Is the synopsis just lopsided?

A Brief Tour of Human Consciousness is made up of five investigations of the greatest mysteries of the brain. The first chapter shows how amputees feel pain in limbs they no longer have as it introduces the great revolution of our neuroscience. The second chapter walks through the way what we see determines our thoughts, and demonstrates the counterintuitive point that believing is in fact seeing. The third chapter takes a leap beyond cutting edge science to audaciously set out a general theory of beauty, explaining why, the world over, cultures have fundamentally similar notions of what is attractive. The fourth chapter explores the bizarre world of synesthetes, people who see colors in numbers, textures in smells, sounds in sights, and flavors in sounds. Finally, V. S. Ramachandran one of the foremost brain researchers in the world today, sums up the implications of the revolution in our understanding of consciousness, to make a fascinating argument about our essential sense of self and its distributed nature.

pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 65d

The whole thing is about consciousness, the chapters are exploring different aspects and queries about it.

edit: exploring, not exploiting

emb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d (1 reply)

Consciousness: a Very Short Introduction.

I can't vouch for that particular book, but the VSI series is usually a good bet.

Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d

So far this one seems on top for me. Most of the others (apart from Huxley which is very old) are people proposing their theories, vs an overview.

RecursiveParadox@piefed.social · 2 pts · 65d

Consciousness Explained by Daniel C. Dennett. A bit dense and probably a bit dated now, but I feel it's a good introduction to the topic even if some of the conclusions he had (at that time) don't hold up now.