I'd be really curious to know myself. Outside of college textbooks, I don't think I've spent more than 100 on any given book. Probably not even 80.
I can think of some art books that may have run me up into 40-70, like the Yoshitaka Amano book with FF work. Or the NES Ultimate guide from Contri. The Brawl in the Family comics in print probably cost over 100 actually, but then that's also 3 books.
I can think of a couple I've had eyes on that are pricey tho. The Art of Computer Programming from Knuth isn't rare, but a set would certainly be a nice, and costly, symbol of rigor I wish I had. Best Before (Newman) or English editions of Florent Gorges's Nintendo history books seem uncommon enough to be expensive.
There are plenty of things you can do, mostly comes down to time and determination and what you enjoy. Overall, use the language a whole lot for decoding/encoding real communication. At first that can be too hard, so you might bridge the gap with deliberate study, grammar/translation formulas, and vocab memorization.
We have a community at !languagelearning@sopuli.xyz where you can look for support. This would be a good question to crosspost there. (Full disclosure, I'm a mod there.)
Valid, I was definitely thinking of that parallel when reading the recent AI headlines.
Destructive scanning is not altogether bad, but it's a huge shame to see it happening from companies that give nothing worthwhile back to the public commons.
It does make me reconsider my 'burning books is too clearly evil to suspend disbelief' a little. Still, they're somewhat different circumstances.
The whole central image of it, setting fire to books, and the way they go about it, just felt too direct to me. Still, it weaves a good story and the ideas resonate well enough.
Listening through Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
My reaction to it is kinda mixed. Some of the humor hits, some of it doesn't. I suspect part of that is that so much of both the style of humor and the specific jokes have seeped down into culture enough to not be surprising.
Stephen Fry, reading it, is definitely giving a performance.
Villain was cool. Didn't see her coming, even after the point where it was probably obvious.
Some things were a little tough to suspend disbelief on. Peter really didn't try to befriend his old buddies all those years, even when he was in their apartment and saw Ned was Spider-Man obsessed? Jean going out of her way to target and mock Spider-Man was weird. And then just instantly being cool with him after the climax. That, and her randomly being able to possess Bruce but not Peter.
Surprised they didn't have Jean hop out the moment Spidey attacked MJ. He was holding her by the throat over a ledge, imagine if she snapped back to herself right then. Seemed like a perfect setup for drama, to make her afraid of him. But also kinda glad they didn't go that route. Also kinda glad his friends weren't overly resistant to believing him.
I don't keep up with all the things, so not sure if Punisher (and his background) got introduced already or assumed here. I only vaguely remember Black Widow getting replaced, even tho I saw that movie. And Damage Control? Also seemed like they assumed I knew what that was.
Good question. That might be one that's better posed to the overall community for more answers, but I'll give it a shot.
I learned largely in classroom settings. So if you're still in school or see classes available, I'd recommend taking those.
It really kinda 'click'ed for me when a teacher suggested thinking throughout the day 'how could I say that in Spanish?'. So like, I'd say a sentence then translate it in my head. (This will annoy your English-speaking friends if you do it out loud.) Or read a sign then repeat what it says in Spanish. Tranlating isn't usually best practice when learning a new language, but Eng and Esp are so close it works ok a lot of time. Journaling is probably the better way, going straight from thought to target language without stopping at English, but that takes time to reach.
Not to say traditional approaches are everything. Even in advanced college classes, we never read a single Spanish-language book as part of the curriculum. I feel like behind the basics, those classes toward the end should have looked a bit more like the English literature and writing classes I took in high school, just in a different language.
If I were going to start today tho, as a self-guided learner, I'd say start with a focus on dreaming.com/spanish Work through the superbeginner/beginner stages there, then start studying grammar from whichever beginner textbook. Put vocab you come across into Anki, but don't go crazy. Once you get more comfortable, eventually use learnnatively.com to find books to read and shows to watch. (Reading is not so far off - Spanish shares a massive amount of cognates with English due to shared Greek and Latin roots. If you know your word stems, you know a lot of any romance language.)
Travel is great if you can, being in that situation really kicks your brain into realizing 'this language is important'. But not required for learning.
Haven't been keeping up too well this week. But I did return to Marina, a novel in Spanish, after finishing up some English books. This time I'll finish reading it.
It's clear Sony's not changing course, but probably still good in general if the industry keeps hearing that physical media is important to people.
Better than writing angry comments is to buy physical over digital, if any of it. Don't give a cent to their online storefronts if you don't like that becoming the future.
Like with many things, I think the most important part is that it's fun and motivating for you. If you find an approach you gel with that gets you to engage with the language, then good! There's no best or most efficient way for everybody, no use endlessly searching for that.
Input > Output makes sense on some level tho, at least to me. To do output, you need to have a good feedback loop so you know if you're hilariously wrong. Without it, you run the risk of building bad habits that may be harder to correct later.
It's a bit of a swing back from traditional classroom setting learning, which are (more so) output and grammar early. Notably, those settings have teachers and classmates for feedback.
The Japanese community in particular is laregly self-learners I guess. And having lots of kanji to learn and words with often unguessable readings pushes a lot of folks there to perhaps over focus on memorization.
I think one could read it passively. I'd imagine some students getting it assigned and just going through it as fast as possible to get the gist. I also don't think always there's a very clear difference between literature and casual reads.
But overall I agree, print encourages a more active approach by making self-paced the default. Leaves plenty of opportunities for meta-cognition. Audio can too tho, just depends how people engage.
It's nice to see how much engagement they get on the weekly threads! They've got a yearly bingo thing going on too, which is fun if you're trying to read more. And just all around it seems like a nice place to share your reviews/thoughts or ask for recommendations.
It's definitely possible to read passively. You know, how sometimes the words just sound out in your head while you're lost in some other thoughts. And it's possible to sit quietly with headphones and actively listen, poring over every word while nothing distracts your focus.
But by default, I think the modes encourage active and passive engagement like you're getting at.
This is one area where I think the distinction is actually important!
For kids, they're learning to read. Heavy, repeated practice decoding and interpreting printed characters is the point.
Ultimately the activity of reading changes as you get older, into receiving new information and perspectives. At that point an audiobook is pretty much at parity. But earlier on in elementary and even middle grades, kids really need the actual reading IMO.
I have a relative who vastly prefers audiobooks. But his wife has to keep reminding him, don't let their daughter take that shortcut. She has to actually learn to read (and read well) first.
That's how I always think about it too. Imagine telling someone "I jogged all the way to the store". Assuming it's more than a mile away, that might be a little surprising. If the person then says, "well I biked, but same point, I got there", it's a slightly different reaction. "I jogged" and "I biked" are two different things with different meanings.
Not that it should be looked down on or it's bad at all.
I guess there's a gap in the language a bit. There's not a great sounding word (afaik) to indicate 'consuming a book in whatever format', so it's understandable that 'read' evolves into that. Still, in most cases to me it makes more sense to choose between 'read' and 'listened'.
Replaying Zelda: A Link to the Past this week. Been kind of a busy/stressful week, so whisking my way through a comfortable favorite to relax.
Pokemon and Dragon Ball were just cartoons to me at entry, but after those I realized I like anime.
First ones after that I got into were Cowboy Bebop and Trigun.
I'd be really curious to know myself. Outside of college textbooks, I don't think I've spent more than 100 on any given book. Probably not even 80.
I can think of some art books that may have run me up into 40-70, like the Yoshitaka Amano book with FF work. Or the NES Ultimate guide from Contri. The Brawl in the Family comics in print probably cost over 100 actually, but then that's also 3 books.
I can think of a couple I've had eyes on that are pricey tho. The Art of Computer Programming from Knuth isn't rare, but a set would certainly be a nice, and costly, symbol of rigor I wish I had. Best Before (Newman) or English editions of Florent Gorges's Nintendo history books seem uncommon enough to be expensive.
Probably not one you're looking for, but Super Mario Sunshine is perhaps the game that's most on-theme here.
There are plenty of things you can do, mostly comes down to time and determination and what you enjoy. Overall, use the language a whole lot for decoding/encoding real communication. At first that can be too hard, so you might bridge the gap with deliberate study, grammar/translation formulas, and vocab memorization.
We have a community at !languagelearning@sopuli.xyz where you can look for support. This would be a good question to crosspost there. (Full disclosure, I'm a mod there.)
Valid, I was definitely thinking of that parallel when reading the recent AI headlines.
Destructive scanning is not altogether bad, but it's a huge shame to see it happening from companies that give nothing worthwhile back to the public commons.
It does make me reconsider my 'burning books is too clearly evil to suspend disbelief' a little. Still, they're somewhat different circumstances.
That's some dark humor
I liked it, didn't love it.
The whole central image of it, setting fire to books, and the way they go about it, just felt too direct to me. Still, it weaves a good story and the ideas resonate well enough.
Listening through Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
My reaction to it is kinda mixed. Some of the humor hits, some of it doesn't. I suspect part of that is that so much of both the style of humor and the specific jokes have seeped down into culture enough to not be surprising.
Stephen Fry, reading it, is definitely giving a performance.
Villain was cool. Didn't see her coming, even after the point where it was probably obvious.
Some things were a little tough to suspend disbelief on. Peter really didn't try to befriend his old buddies all those years, even when he was in their apartment and saw Ned was Spider-Man obsessed? Jean going out of her way to target and mock Spider-Man was weird. And then just instantly being cool with him after the climax. That, and her randomly being able to possess Bruce but not Peter.
Surprised they didn't have Jean hop out the moment Spidey attacked MJ. He was holding her by the throat over a ledge, imagine if she snapped back to herself right then. Seemed like a perfect setup for drama, to make her afraid of him. But also kinda glad they didn't go that route. Also kinda glad his friends weren't overly resistant to believing him.
I don't keep up with all the things, so not sure if Punisher (and his background) got introduced already or assumed here. I only vaguely remember Black Widow getting replaced, even tho I saw that movie. And Damage Control? Also seemed like they assumed I knew what that was.
Long movies to me are kind of a double-edged sword.
Great when I'm going to see an anticipated film in a theater, and I'm digging it and don't want it to end.
But annoying if I ever want to watch it again at home.
Good question. That might be one that's better posed to the overall community for more answers, but I'll give it a shot.
I learned largely in classroom settings. So if you're still in school or see classes available, I'd recommend taking those.
It really kinda 'click'ed for me when a teacher suggested thinking throughout the day 'how could I say that in Spanish?'. So like, I'd say a sentence then translate it in my head. (This will annoy your English-speaking friends if you do it out loud.) Or read a sign then repeat what it says in Spanish. Tranlating isn't usually best practice when learning a new language, but Eng and Esp are so close it works ok a lot of time. Journaling is probably the better way, going straight from thought to target language without stopping at English, but that takes time to reach.
Not to say traditional approaches are everything. Even in advanced college classes, we never read a single Spanish-language book as part of the curriculum. I feel like behind the basics, those classes toward the end should have looked a bit more like the English literature and writing classes I took in high school, just in a different language.
If I were going to start today tho, as a self-guided learner, I'd say start with a focus on dreaming.com/spanish Work through the superbeginner/beginner stages there, then start studying grammar from whichever beginner textbook. Put vocab you come across into Anki, but don't go crazy. Once you get more comfortable, eventually use learnnatively.com to find books to read and shows to watch. (Reading is not so far off - Spanish shares a massive amount of cognates with English due to shared Greek and Latin roots. If you know your word stems, you know a lot of any romance language.)
Travel is great if you can, being in that situation really kicks your brain into realizing 'this language is important'. But not required for learning.
Haven't been keeping up too well this week. But I did return to Marina, a novel in Spanish, after finishing up some English books. This time I'll finish reading it.
Nice, keep it up!
It's clear Sony's not changing course, but probably still good in general if the industry keeps hearing that physical media is important to people.
Better than writing angry comments is to buy physical over digital, if any of it. Don't give a cent to their online storefronts if you don't like that becoming the future.
Like with many things, I think the most important part is that it's fun and motivating for you. If you find an approach you gel with that gets you to engage with the language, then good! There's no best or most efficient way for everybody, no use endlessly searching for that.
Input > Output makes sense on some level tho, at least to me. To do output, you need to have a good feedback loop so you know if you're hilariously wrong. Without it, you run the risk of building bad habits that may be harder to correct later.
It's a bit of a swing back from traditional classroom setting learning, which are (more so) output and grammar early. Notably, those settings have teachers and classmates for feedback.
The Japanese community in particular is laregly self-learners I guess. And having lots of kanji to learn and words with often unguessable readings pushes a lot of folks there to perhaps over focus on memorization.
I think one could read it passively. I'd imagine some students getting it assigned and just going through it as fast as possible to get the gist. I also don't think always there's a very clear difference between literature and casual reads.
But overall I agree, print encourages a more active approach by making self-paced the default. Leaves plenty of opportunities for meta-cognition. Audio can too tho, just depends how people engage.
Yep, I was just about to plug the !books@lemmy.world community too.
It's nice to see how much engagement they get on the weekly threads! They've got a yearly bingo thing going on too, which is fun if you're trying to read more. And just all around it seems like a nice place to share your reviews/thoughts or ask for recommendations.
For the most part, yeah.
It's definitely possible to read passively. You know, how sometimes the words just sound out in your head while you're lost in some other thoughts. And it's possible to sit quietly with headphones and actively listen, poring over every word while nothing distracts your focus.
But by default, I think the modes encourage active and passive engagement like you're getting at.
This is one area where I think the distinction is actually important!
For kids, they're learning to read. Heavy, repeated practice decoding and interpreting printed characters is the point.
Ultimately the activity of reading changes as you get older, into receiving new information and perspectives. At that point an audiobook is pretty much at parity. But earlier on in elementary and even middle grades, kids really need the actual reading IMO.
I have a relative who vastly prefers audiobooks. But his wife has to keep reminding him, don't let their daughter take that shortcut. She has to actually learn to read (and read well) first.
That's how I always think about it too. Imagine telling someone "I jogged all the way to the store". Assuming it's more than a mile away, that might be a little surprising. If the person then says, "well I biked, but same point, I got there", it's a slightly different reaction. "I jogged" and "I biked" are two different things with different meanings.
Not that it should be looked down on or it's bad at all.
I guess there's a gap in the language a bit. There's not a great sounding word (afaik) to indicate 'consuming a book in whatever format', so it's understandable that 'read' evolves into that. Still, in most cases to me it makes more sense to choose between 'read' and 'listened'.