TL,DR: People aren't offended by the idea kids have sex, but by the fact the author is a pedophile.
I don't think people dislike this because kids having sex with other kids is traumatic for them. More that writing about children having an orgy for no real reason raises some questions about the sexual proclivities of the author.
I’ve tried reading some of King’s other works and they all seem to have somewhat random smut moments that are kind of just uncomfortable because why is this here at all?
The answer is: because the author was horny. So, that being the case, having a needless sexual scene centered around kids really does paint the picture of a pedophile author
Basically "Idk, it seemed like a good idea at the time, lol"
I can't speak to how turned on he was when writing it - but as others have noted, his writing style was "do lots of drugs and then mail it to the publisher." So its at least possible that he is being completely forthright above. Honestly, the weirdest thing to me is that the publisher didn't nix it.
Assuming he writes about sex because he, himself wants to fantasize about children having sex would imply he also enjoys children getting maimed and devoured.
The reason is to make people uncomfortable, to ask the same question that I did. The author himself has said this.
Assuming he writes about sex because he, himself wants to fantasize about children having sex would imply he also enjoys children getting maimed and devoured.
…uh not really? One is relevant to the purpose of the book; the other is not.
If you enjoy writing a horror story, you need to add horror/conflict. And sure you will write graphic things to heighten those uncomfortable emotions associated with horror.
Are you writing about a monster that devours kids and is pure evil? Then writing gory scenes and even torture would be on topic.
Is this book intended to be pedo smut? No. Then you don't need child sex scenes.
The author himself has said this
The author himself also said “the Epstein files are real. So is the tooth fairy and Santa Clause.”
What a coincidence that a man who wrote a needless child porn scene into his novel would try to imply a child sex trafficking ring is a hoax. I’m sure the author is being completely honest when he says the scene was actually important to the plot and not just for his own gratification like the sex scenes in his other novels. /s
it’s the same annoying parts i found with Niven’s Rimworld series and some later Man/Kzin stuff. Just wonton descriptions of inter species hanky panky.
Clearly these guys just write to get hard; like in King’s book, the scene is irrelevant.
The book explores a lot of discomforting topics. It seems like he was testing his readers limits for discomfort, which is what he's said about the scene.
It makes more sense if you have seen his worst twitter posts. I hadn't thought about him since I read Under the Dome on a flight. Under the Dome is terrible. 2nd worst flight book after World War Z as an idiot teenager (zombie fiction loves to glaze Israel, & that one actually includes Japan & Rhodesia glazing too). Just avoid regular publishers at this point. Get into a literary scene or learn a new language. This kind of shit is all over sci-fi. You ever read Snow Crash lmao?
Well it tries to frame itself as being critical of Bush admin war in Iraq because "shock and awe tactics" are simply ineffective against the thick mucus inside the zombies. Which is super dumb... Anyways it treats Israel & Rhodesias apartheid plans & "antiterrorism" as something which makes the former uniquely resilient in a zombie apocalypse & the latter's plans to create sacrifice cities as a necessary evil to sustain the human race. Just off the top of my head. The whole thing is just military worship, interviews with tough generals. Actually credit to my sister she told me I was dumb for liking it and I reread it in a non sleep deprived state & got super mad
Also there is an otaku with a katana. Insipid book
Uhh there is this one part at the end that really disgusted me as a kid I don't even wanna say on here but I have seen people defend. Would be a CSA trigger warning. Wild. Also was thinking if Neil Gaiman
20 Comments
Wren@lemmy.today · 24 pts · 35d
In a book about children getting maimed, murdered, dismembered and consumed, people are more concerned that they're having sex.
I am not saying childhood gangbangs are good. I'm not saying that. Just that a lot of worse things happen in that book.
Like would I be more traumatized if I had sex with all my besties or if I was hunted by an evil clown alien from space who killed my classmates?
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 35d
TL,DR: People aren't offended by the idea kids have sex, but by the fact the author is a pedophile.
I don't think people dislike this because kids having sex with other kids is traumatic for them. More that writing about children having an orgy for no real reason raises some questions about the sexual proclivities of the author.
I’ve tried reading some of King’s other works and they all seem to have somewhat random smut moments that are kind of just uncomfortable because why is this here at all?
The answer is: because the author was horny. So, that being the case, having a needless sexual scene centered around kids really does paint the picture of a pedophile author
blarghly@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 35d
Fwiw, this is the only statement I could find from King regarding the scene:
I wasn’t really thinking of the sexual aspect of it. The book dealt with childhood and adulthood –1958 and Grown Ups. The grown ups don’t remember their childhood. None of us remember what we did as children–we think we do, but we don’t remember it as it really happened. Intuitively, the Losers knew they had to be together again. The sexual act connected childhood and adulthood. It’s another version of the glass tunnel that connects the children’s library and the adult library. Times have changed since I wrote that scene and there is now more sensitivity to those issues.
Basically "Idk, it seemed like a good idea at the time, lol"
I can't speak to how turned on he was when writing it - but as others have noted, his writing style was "do lots of drugs and then mail it to the publisher." So its at least possible that he is being completely forthright above. Honestly, the weirdest thing to me is that the publisher didn't nix it.
Wren@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 35d
Assuming he writes about sex because he, himself wants to fantasize about children having sex would imply he also enjoys children getting maimed and devoured.
The reason is to make people uncomfortable, to ask the same question that I did. The author himself has said this.
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 35d
…uh not really? One is relevant to the purpose of the book; the other is not.
If you enjoy writing a horror story, you need to add horror/conflict. And sure you will write graphic things to heighten those uncomfortable emotions associated with horror.
Are you writing about a monster that devours kids and is pure evil? Then writing gory scenes and even torture would be on topic.
Is this book intended to be pedo smut? No. Then you don't need child sex scenes.
The author himself also said “the Epstein files are real. So is the tooth fairy and Santa Clause.”
What a coincidence that a man who wrote a needless child porn scene into his novel would try to imply a child sex trafficking ring is a hoax. I’m sure the author is being completely honest when he says the scene was actually important to the plot and not just for his own gratification like the sex scenes in his other novels. /s
Wren@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 35d
I trust an author's description of his own writing over his opinion on political matters. He's an authority on at least one of those things.
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 35d
Considering he was supposedly on massive amounts of drugs when writing I don't think even he is much of an authority on his own writing lol
Wren@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 35d
I mean, I trust his take over yours.
flandish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
it’s the same annoying parts i found with Niven’s Rimworld series and some later Man/Kzin stuff. Just wonton descriptions of inter species hanky panky.
Clearly these guys just write to get hard; like in King’s book, the scene is irrelevant.
Wren@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 35d
The book explores a lot of discomforting topics. It seems like he was testing his readers limits for discomfort, which is what he's said about the scene.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 21 pts · 35d
Goddamn it stop spreading misinformation
It was a preteen TRAIN
Gangbangs are CONCURRENT
Trains are SEQUENTIAL
Batman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
They call her a loadbalancer.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 35d
cocaine is a helluva drug
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 35d
It was a train let's be serious here
thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 35d
It makes more sense if you have seen his worst twitter posts. I hadn't thought about him since I read Under the Dome on a flight. Under the Dome is terrible. 2nd worst flight book after World War Z as an idiot teenager (zombie fiction loves to glaze Israel, & that one actually includes Japan & Rhodesia glazing too). Just avoid regular publishers at this point. Get into a literary scene or learn a new language. This kind of shit is all over sci-fi. You ever read Snow Crash lmao?
Ikon@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 35d
Could you elaborate on world war z? I read it as a teen but haven't gone back and re read it
thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 34d
Well it tries to frame itself as being critical of Bush admin war in Iraq because "shock and awe tactics" are simply ineffective against the thick mucus inside the zombies. Which is super dumb... Anyways it treats Israel & Rhodesias apartheid plans & "antiterrorism" as something which makes the former uniquely resilient in a zombie apocalypse & the latter's plans to create sacrifice cities as a necessary evil to sustain the human race. Just off the top of my head. The whole thing is just military worship, interviews with tough generals. Actually credit to my sister she told me I was dumb for liking it and I reread it in a non sleep deprived state & got super mad
Also there is an otaku with a katana. Insipid book
jdr@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 35d
What about Snow Crash was so bad?
thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 35d
Uhh there is this one part at the end that really disgusted me as a kid I don't even wanna say on here but I have seen people defend. Would be a CSA trigger warning. Wild. Also was thinking if Neil Gaiman
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · -6 pts · 35d
Book quotes or it didn't happen..