An uptick in anti-voting content out of .ml, a major election must be happening this year lmao, yes let's hand complete control the MAGAts, that'll help things!

I don't really have a problem with people who do actual organizing and activism not voting since I think that's a lot more impactful. I mean I would prefer they vote but I'd say what they're doing is more than someone who only votes but takes no other political actions.

What really bothers me is people who just spend all their time online angrily criticizing people for doing some political action they deem not useful but who don't do or even suggest another alternative. It's just laziness and apathy disguised as moral superiority.

Vote in the primaries! These people act like those don't exist. Everyone really needs to push for the progressive candidates before they are chosen as the party option. Then if that fails you have to compromise so it doesn't get even harder next time. We might have gotten lucky with trump being so unpopular, people are looking for a new person that at least sounds anti establishment. The next republican rep I really don't think will be worse than trump, so they could actually gain favor for the party if they win and enact change that helps some of the majority.

what are you going to do with the 20 minutes you saved not voting

Make several spicy meme posts on Lemmy, of course!

they're against voting because democracy for what class, unless jill stein is running exclusively to be a spoiler in which case they are for voting, unless she can win in which case the electoralism is bourgeoisie again. sometimes the psl candidate is also acceptable because they also can't win. they're against all actually existing direct action for reasons as well. what could the pattern be

Well for many it has been designed to be an all day thing. If you only have to take 20 minutes to vote. Consider yourself very lucky. It's not uncommon especially in red states in the United States. To hear stories of people waiting in line for 3, 4, 6, to 8 hours or more. And I can sympathize with people not wanting to go through that. That's the whole point of it after all.

But yeah if you're in a place where it would only take 20 minutes to vote. It is absolutely ridiculous not to vote. Ultimately voting alone isn't going to fix or change anything. It's going to take a lot of us running as well as working outside the system. And if you decide not to vote yourself. That's fine. That's your choice ultimately. But then advocating and campaigning for others to not vote as well. And that seems intentionally self-destructive.

you feel superior to people who vote.

it's not logic, it's about feeling better than other people. so is most of the dumbshit takes and rants you see from these people.

they think sitting around and feeling feelings is 'superior' to any action in the real world... and I guanentee you none of them have read marx or anything actually related to communism other than memes and watching influencers. especially if you go by all the ridiculous posts about 'how do i become a good communist w/o reading or making any efffort, just tell me a podcast i can listen to that will make me a magical expert/genius on the issue so i can feel smug and superior to everyone else'

It simple they didn't find a candidate that represented them. I am half tunisian half canadian. I never voted in tunisia because nobody represent me. In canada I like NPD and vote foe them.

What I don't understand is why a politicians would listent to you if they know you will vote for them anyway?

Not performing permission for anyone to rule me never mind it's ineffective in changing anything.

Lol yea they never stopped, but ofc an election is coming up so naturally they're saying it more and more

I mean it is obviously. Just look how people are excusing everything Dems do.

Plenty of them hate DSA and think they aren't left enough either.

They see them as fake socialists, I see them regularly dig on Mamdani and any other DSA people

Oh, you know them. Nobody short of Stalin's reanimated corpse is good enough for them.

DSA are not by and large socialists and it's not good to do either entryism or electoralism in general.

I don't think too many should, there needs to be visible pushback against their crap for new users

I also don't because 1) I'm crossposting all good content to non-ml comms to boost activity in those areas and suppress the .ml versions and 2) I document things here so they can't do what they want to do in silence and subtlety like they like

@mindbleach@sh.itjust.works summed it up perfectly

"Material conditions" are leftist-flavored "facts and logic." The actual concepts matter... but the people pounding the table about those phrases don't even know what they mean.

**Would you rather be advocating for socialism under milquetoast progressives who ignore you - or under fascists who want you skinned for moving pamphlets? **

**Would you rather be fighting for easier name changes as trans rights - or debating whether married women get to vote? **

Does any sane person honestly believe Kamala Harris would have handed Elon Musk a machete and pointed him at social programs? Or treated every federal institution like she bought them and they owe her money? Or bombed Iran despite this inevitable outcome?

Wouldn't your entire life be better, without Republicans in charge?

Not voting for the most leftist available candidate to you only makes the organizing you preach that much more harder. Unless of course you want the Tankie outcome, accelerationist bloodshed in the name of the revolution.

Because that worked out great last election? You can do more productive things if you have the balls for it, if you insist on not participating in elections.