Germany moves to criminalise denial of Israel’s existence while refusing to recognise Palestine

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-moves-criminalise-denial-israels-existence-while-refusing-recognise-palestine

The proposed law could jail people for five years despite warnings that it violates freedom of expression

Archived version: https://archive.is/20260712011315/https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/germany-moves-criminalise-denial-israels-existence-while-refusing-recognise-palestine


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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 53 pts · 39d

how very Nazi of them.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 39d (9 replies)

The fuck is Germanys problem

ShotDonkey@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 38d

No problem. Smart. Step 1: brutalize nearly all Jews, rob all their property, kill them by slave labour (then lose war, all in shambles, but the economic elite and nazi profiteers remain filthy rich Step 2: support "the right to exist" of a Jewish state far away so you'll never have to deal with any claims and only with very little Jews in your own country Step 3: celebrate yourself as a moral champion

The German playbook in brief. Herzliche Grüße

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 39d

They're german

jesusactuallyhateshorses@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 39d (5 replies)

They once killed a lot of Jews. They don't want to be seen as any level of antisemitic.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 39d (2 replies)

They seem quite comfortable supporting genocide, and too weak to at least speak out morally regarding the matter. Say what you will about the US, Britain, and their support of this genocide; within the nations there is a palpable and significant resistance to what the governments are doing to support the genocide.

Where is the German peoples resistance to being party to yet another genocide?

jesusactuallyhateshorses@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 39d

Where is the German peoples resistance to being party to yet another genocide?

I guess they don't care as long as it isn't Germans doing it? 🙃

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 39d

There are some but get violently beaten or arrested

Objection@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 39d

The lesson they learned from the Holocaust was to get someone else to do the dirty work.

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 39d

Nothing more antisemitic than supporting zionists

lemmelemmy@feddit.org · 4 pts · 38d

Corruption

ryannathans@aussie.zone · 22 pts · 39d (7 replies)

And you wonder why AfD is getting so popular

dbdr@nord.pub · 43 pts · 39d (6 replies)

AfD is very much not supportive towards Palestine.

arrow74@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 39d (1 reply)

It's the "Trump" effect. Many grew tired of the establishment and for some reason saw Trump as an outsider.

My dad voted Bernie in 2016, then switched to Trump. Since then he's slid into the absolute worst forms of conservatism. But it all started because he thought Bernie would fix the system, saw the system as ineffectual, and then picked the person he thought would disrupt the system.

AfD is definitely pulling on similar sentiments, and will end just as disastrously as Trump maybe even worse

Aqarius@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 39d

"Fascism arises from the collapse of legitimacy of liberal institutions"

ryannathans@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 39d (3 replies)

It's not about supporting Palestine (on not), the voters and party are more about what's happening to Germany

Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 9 pts · 39d (2 replies)

Aeguably they are not. The AfD says stuff that gets people riled up but they are the exact same neocons dialed up to 11 as the current government. Just even more racist, fascist and transphobic.

ryannathans@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 39d

As you said, this stuff gets people riled up and that impacts who they vote for

Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 39d

it's the 'normal' parties and EU fuck ups driving their voters to them.

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 39d (2 replies)

They have so much guilt over the holocaust that they're enabling the next holocaust.

DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 38d

Which proves that they don't have any guilt over committing holocaust per se, they just regret the one against European Jews because you know, they lost that war, so that genocide became too costly for them. This one just shifts some of that cost to innocent brown people who are presumed to be unlikely to be able to impose any retaliatory cost. So fuck'em, who cares. Just fascists doing fascist stuff.

lemmelemmy@feddit.org · 4 pts · 38d

Killing brown people was never been an issue in west, nothing would happen. I bet they’d be even proud

Yliaster@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 39d

Always on the wrong side of history, aren't you?

ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 39d

Fork found in drawer, once again.

AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 39d

fuck

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 38d

Germany never met a genocide they didn’t like

ShotDonkey@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 38d

Hey there's a new genocide going on Germany: "hold my beer"

Apeman42@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 39d

Fuck off, Deutschebags.

kreskin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 38d

Well I'll not burden them with my tourism dollars again then.

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -7 pts · 39d (2 replies)
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ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 8 pts · 39d (1 reply)

You're very broadly generalizing all antizionists into one big antisemitic basket. Which makes no sense especially given the existence of antizionist jewish groups.

Of course antizionism can devolve into antisemitism, and we shouldn't ignore that. But equating the two is really fucking dangerous since it essentially preempts any criticism of Israel as antisemitism. And when Israel is committing genocide, that's not an acceptable position to take.

I feel for jewish people worldwide who had to suffer because Israel is committing genocide and some numnuts blames them for it. I do. But this pales in comparison with the suffering inflicted upon Palestinians. And let's not forget that there have been synagogues who have openly espoused genocidal rhetoric, which makes them a valid target for protest (a protest at a church espousing Nazi rhetoric isn't racist towards christians, nor is one at a mosque promoting Al-Qaeda islamophobic).

On a sidenote, conflating antizionism with antisemitism means claiming being against the Israeli government is being against jewish people in general, which is a deeply antisemitic statement to make. I assume it wasn't your intention but you should be very careful of your language.

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 38d
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