you know, in places (like scandinavia) where they treat their prisoners like they're human and not pond scum have MUCH lower recidivism rates than places like america where they treat their prisoners like scum. In scandinavia, prison is about rehabilitation. in america, prison is about making a prisoner's life as horrendous as possible. Rehabilitation vs pure punishment.
No, you're mistaken. In America, prison is about creating a permanent underclass (mostly) of ethnic minorities to use as slave labor. Scandinavia treats their prisoners like humans because, being fairly racially homogeneous, there's no visibly-obvious way to "other" them.
I mean there's minoritiles in scandinavia and they are still likely to end up in prison. They are just treated better.
The US was founded by the english who used prisoners as soldiers and ran a giant slave trade. Its less about homogeny and more about english colonial culture which is where the tiered society in the US originates:
at the top you have the rich dandy fuckwits who are both dumb and violent
below that you have the merchants and traders who are explicitly extractive
below that you have prisoners who are pointing a gun at the natives and kidnapped workers
the natives and and kidnapped workers at the bottom
The US added a level of racism that even upset the brits I should add but in 250 years it seems we still essentially have the british colonial system.
We've replaced the prisoner military with a form of wage serfdom and replaced kidnapped workers with prison workers.
That's because we allow private companies to run prisons in America, and more inmates means more federal $, so there is a financial interest to keep the cells full, through longer terms reincarceration. Also our constitution allows for slave labor as punishment for crime. Everything about this country is fucked up.
Sad how he does something decent that very few others would have, and yet he's still attacked for it. Some people need to get a grip on how reality actually works, and realize change - especially from within - takes a lot more time and effort than any of us would like due to reality's limitations.
You seen conservatives these days? They’re all talking about empathy being a sin and most of them think that being a man means being violent. They’re fucking insane, of course people will be mad.
ya know what, why didn't he just immediately establish UBI too? Helping with rent? Groceries? that's not good enough, why isn't Mamdani putting us into a post currency society? I just don't think Mamdani is doing enough, he's reducing crime but he hasn't solved world peace yet... so, trash.... I mean, the guy hasn't perfected society yet? why do anything?. Making public transit cheaper? Why isn't he just abolishing cars already? Where's our teleporters??
I don't want free healthcare. I won't be happy until he abolishes aging and disease. I mean, what's the point otherwise, right?
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the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 31d
Treating inmates like they are people, The GOP is going to throw a tantrum over that for sure.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 31 pts · 30d
Time for the gif that keeps on giffing:
osanna@lemmy.vg · 20 pts · 30d
you know, in places (like scandinavia) where they treat their prisoners like they're human and not pond scum have MUCH lower recidivism rates than places like america where they treat their prisoners like scum. In scandinavia, prison is about rehabilitation. in america, prison is about making a prisoner's life as horrendous as possible. Rehabilitation vs pure punishment.
grue@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 30d
No, you're mistaken. In America, prison is about creating a permanent underclass (mostly) of ethnic minorities to use as slave labor. Scandinavia treats their prisoners like humans because, being fairly racially homogeneous, there's no visibly-obvious way to "other" them.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 30d
I mean there's minoritiles in scandinavia and they are still likely to end up in prison. They are just treated better.
The US was founded by the english who used prisoners as soldiers and ran a giant slave trade. Its less about homogeny and more about english colonial culture which is where the tiered society in the US originates:
The US added a level of racism that even upset the brits I should add but in 250 years it seems we still essentially have the british colonial system.
We've replaced the prisoner military with a form of wage serfdom and replaced kidnapped workers with prison workers.
runner_g@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 30d
That's because we allow private companies to run prisons in America, and more inmates means more federal $, so there is a financial interest to keep the cells full, through longer terms reincarceration. Also our constitution allows for slave labor as punishment for crime. Everything about this country is fucked up.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 30d
Yeah, we do know. It sucks.
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 40 pts · 31d
Sad how he does something decent that very few others would have, and yet he's still attacked for it. Some people need to get a grip on how reality actually works, and realize change - especially from within - takes a lot more time and effort than any of us would like due to reality's limitations.
Soup@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 30d
You seen conservatives these days? They’re all talking about empathy being a sin and most of them think that being a man means being violent. They’re fucking insane, of course people will be mad.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 30d
How is Zorhan this goddamn cool?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -55 pts · 31d
Not abolish prisons. Keep victims of the warped justice system locked and happy.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 31d
right right...
ya know what, why didn't he just immediately establish UBI too? Helping with rent? Groceries? that's not good enough, why isn't Mamdani putting us into a post currency society? I just don't think Mamdani is doing enough, he's reducing crime but he hasn't solved world peace yet... so, trash.... I mean, the guy hasn't perfected society yet? why do anything?. Making public transit cheaper? Why isn't he just abolishing cars already? Where's our teleporters??
I don't want free healthcare. I won't be happy until he abolishes aging and disease. I mean, what's the point otherwise, right?
Tippy@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 31d
Tell us you don't know what a mayor does without telling us you don't know what a mayor does
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 31d
How's a mayor going to help prison inmates?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -33 pts · 31d
How is pardoning and defunding going help the prison industry?
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 31d
What the fuck fucking seat in government do you think Zohran Mamdani currently occupies?
PostaL@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 30d
Don't argue with stupid people. They have a rested mind.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 30d
Oh, their comment was upvoted 6:4 and rising before I wrote that. Not one upvote afterward, so I think some people needed it pointed out.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 31d
I doubt it is in his power to do prison abolition.
trainsrkool@lemmy.ml · -63 pts · 31d
must be fake leftist pr time 😂
NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 52 pts · 31d
Ah yes, fake leftist for... treating prisoners as humans. Gotcha.
God, tankies are insufferable.