That is still more a problem of people and tribalism. People have always found a way or something to try to build a perceived tribe or group around. It doesn't have to be religion.
As someone raised in one of the two sects directly descended from and named for Martin Luther. I find a lot in OP's assessment that I agree with. The reason I consider myself separate or even agnostic these days has more to do with the people and their tribalism in the congregations around me. Than it does the teachings themselves.
The sentiment also resonates with me as an anarchist. Even with very diluted power, negative and evil things can still happen locally. But if you want to have wide spread evil and negative impact you need to concentrate that power. Even today, no one can approach the roman church's record. Not the Mormons, not the Jehovah's Witnesses, not even Scientology. All quite terrible in their own right. Though they may catch up. Who knows.
The ability to choose how you worship (or even if) as well as who you associate with are important and vital. It doesn't guarantee your ability to make good choices and associations. But at least you have the choice.
Imagine if the only public square you had access to was enforced and policed by corrupt bigoted conservatives, or ML. No thank you.
That is still more a problem of people and tribalism.
I don't agree with the rest of your post particularly, but this is the central theme. People will fuck anything up and run it into the ground by virtue of being people, and groups of people fuck things up faster.
Fediverse is no silver bullet; nothing is. The monkey that touches the technology and tools is the source of their misuse, and the monkey never changes, although the tool does.
Not a silver bullet. But basic conditions for the right things to happen. Just as anarchism isn't a silver bullet. But its the right conditions for people to actually choose for themselves. And make the right choices society would otherwise deny. There are no silver bullets. Those have always been fictional tropes. And never my intention to imply otherwise.
Unfortunately Protestantism became a scourge on the Earth that we are still dealing with. Read the Pope's latest letter on AI - it's absolutely incredible, whether you're religious or not.
Everyone will have their own use case. Some will like the networking or prepper aspect of it. Other would like the privacy and chat security aspect. Its nice to know of options because you never know when it would/could become a necessity. It is still very early days, but I don't see it working hand in hand with things like Mastodon and the like.
Everyone will have their own use case. Some will like the networking or prepper aspect of it. Other would like the privacy and chat security aspect. Its nice to know of options because you never know when it would/could become a necessity. It is still very early days, but I don't see it working hand in hand with things like Mastodon and the like.
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blackbelt352@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 65d
That... doesnt bode well for decentralized networks considering how Proteatantism became a force of political power just like the Catholic Church.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 3 pts · 65d
That is still more a problem of people and tribalism. People have always found a way or something to try to build a perceived tribe or group around. It doesn't have to be religion.
As someone raised in one of the two sects directly descended from and named for Martin Luther. I find a lot in OP's assessment that I agree with. The reason I consider myself separate or even agnostic these days has more to do with the people and their tribalism in the congregations around me. Than it does the teachings themselves.
The sentiment also resonates with me as an anarchist. Even with very diluted power, negative and evil things can still happen locally. But if you want to have wide spread evil and negative impact you need to concentrate that power. Even today, no one can approach the roman church's record. Not the Mormons, not the Jehovah's Witnesses, not even Scientology. All quite terrible in their own right. Though they may catch up. Who knows.
The ability to choose how you worship (or even if) as well as who you associate with are important and vital. It doesn't guarantee your ability to make good choices and associations. But at least you have the choice.
Imagine if the only public square you had access to was enforced and policed by corrupt bigoted conservatives, or ML. No thank you.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 64d
I don't agree with the rest of your post particularly, but this is the central theme. People will fuck anything up and run it into the ground by virtue of being people, and groups of people fuck things up faster.
Fediverse is no silver bullet; nothing is. The monkey that touches the technology and tools is the source of their misuse, and the monkey never changes, although the tool does.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 2 pts · 64d
Not a silver bullet. But basic conditions for the right things to happen. Just as anarchism isn't a silver bullet. But its the right conditions for people to actually choose for themselves. And make the right choices society would otherwise deny. There are no silver bullets. Those have always been fictional tropes. And never my intention to imply otherwise.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 63d
sure. One can always make a better tool.
blackbelt352@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 64d
Oh I agree, I am still on the side of FOSS and decentralization, still that comparison to the Protestant Reformation just twinged something in me.
KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 65d
Hmm, is that bad though? To have dezentralized networks represented politicly could also be a chance.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 65d
Of all the analogies in the world. This ranks as one of them.
molasses6469@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 64d
Unfortunately Protestantism became a scourge on the Earth that we are still dealing with. Read the Pope's latest letter on AI - it's absolutely incredible, whether you're religious or not.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 65d
Will it lead to big tech becoming slightly less shitty?
KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 65d
If it means that they have to compete iver users more than they do now, yes. I think so.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 64d
Yes, slightly. But new tech, new problems.
Archimedes@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 65d
Just waiting for our Henry VIII moment.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 65d
Wasn't he the one who killed a couple wives?
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 3 pts · 65d
Yeah but only a couple. He also divorced a couple of them!
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 65d
"But only a couple"
I mean what's a king to do?!
Archimedes@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 64d
He did many things, killing wives was among them.
Infrapink@thebrainbin.org · 4 pts · 65d
Decentralised social networks are to corporate social media what the Christian Jews were to the Pharisees and Sadducees.
hexdream@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 64d
On a related note, have a look at reticulum... still early days, but growing fast https://reticulum.network/manual/zen.html
mapleseedfall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 64d
Seems interesting. But I dont see any practical use for today
hexdream@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 63d
Everyone will have their own use case. Some will like the networking or prepper aspect of it. Other would like the privacy and chat security aspect. Its nice to know of options because you never know when it would/could become a necessity. It is still very early days, but I don't see it working hand in hand with things like Mastodon and the like.
hexdream@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 63d
Everyone will have their own use case. Some will like the networking or prepper aspect of it. Other would like the privacy and chat security aspect. Its nice to know of options because you never know when it would/could become a necessity. It is still very early days, but I don't see it working hand in hand with things like Mastodon and the like.
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 64d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 64d
Should tack a lengthy criticism of social media onto Reddit's front door.
KokusnussRitter@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 64d
I got me hammer and me nails ready :) Hope their front doors aren't glass
AmidFuror@fedia.io · 1 pts · 65d
Decentralized networks are to big tech what Ayatollah Khomeini was to the Shah of Iran.
AmidFuror@fedia.io · 1 pts · 65d
Decentralized networks are to big tech what the liberating Red Army was the Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia.