Wow such a small difference. Glad Abdul won but it is so shameful that that much american voted for a witch saying a foreign country that commit genocide is coming to her dream
True, but there are 2 things at play that kinda make sense why it was such a small margin
Stevens campaign was DUMPING money into ads that was doing all kinds of shady shit from leaning into Islamophobia to pretending Obama endorsed her (She even had a cardboard cutout of Obama at a rally). From what I've heard, there was a Stevens AD on TV every couple ads in Michigan lol
And, supposedly a bunch of Republicunts were voting for Stevens in the primary because MI has an open primary and they didn't have to vote for their candidate because he was running unopposed
So a big chuck of americans are still islamophobic, a big chuck is still pro israel or do not care at all and other are Obama cultists. I understand the reasons but is still shsmeful
Why are you turning a win into a loss in your mind? A win is a win is a win. Stop giving yourself reasons to feel bad about it, we win here, we win in November, we win going forward. Celebrate the wins, man.
Victory in electoral politics requires the insane belief that you can convince people that you're right to want to help them. Conviction in that requires us to have hope that that is possible. Meaning we take the Ws when they come and celebrate them accordingly. Not because we're necessarily happy with the results, but because the next win requires us to be.
I then read the rest of your comment. Surprisingly, not selectively reading your comment is something you should do.
Yes, you put a caveat on your statement. Putting a caveat on a statement doesn't mean you didn't make the statement. I see your caveat and still find it wanting.
Why would i be glad that he won if i think it is a loss? Yes this win is a win but it was a hard one despite Abdul phenomenal compaign . It still mean the zionist lobby is still strong. Are you seeing what is happened in the west bank . All aid need to be cut israel the quickest possible. In 5 years palestine may no longer exist. My preoccupations are very valid.
Dude. Majority American opinion changed on this topic in the last year and the first politicians that are running on antizionist platforms are winning. What do you want here, someone to go back in time to shift American opinion even earlier?
The most powerful lobby group in America is being overthrown in real-time and you're complaining that they haven't been overthrown yet. I understand the urgency of the issue, but getting overwhelmed by the size of the task when we've just now taken the first step is just ridiculous to me.
No you don't understand the urgency of the situation and you don't understand my comment. I am a realist I acknowledge this win, i am very happy about it, i also acknowledge it was not easy both are facts but idiots like you want to be blind and believe that few wins mean that aipac was overthrown. It is not. I have the right to be preoccupied about the situation while supporting the anti genocide camp to keep fighting .
This is my problem, dude. I'm not saying the fight is over, I'm saying celebrate the win. You claim you are and then you say me saying "celebrate the win" is cause I'm a moron who thinks it's over. Can you see why that's proof that you're not actually taking the win? You're going to burn yourself and a bunch of others out spouting this shit.
You know why movements that incorporate useful idiots get more shit done? Cause when they get the tiniest win they celebrate the shit out of it. That re-energizes them so they can then go out and accomplish an even bigger win. That shit compounds faster than capitalists bank accounts
If you always focus on the difficulty of what you're trying to accomplish and never take a beat to acknowledge your successes, you'll only ever see the difficulties. That basically guarantees that you'll fail or only ever eek by on the bare minimum.
If you're coming into a celebratory thread to throw some cold reality into it, maybe consider not doing so next time.
Probably why the black panthers came up with "scratch a liberal and you'll find a fascist"
Even anti-zionist Liberals still act shocked and offended every time this is mentioned, despite all Liberal "democracies" supporting 8 decades of fascist colonialism and genocide in the Middle East. The indoctrination and cognitive dissonance is not exclusively a MAGA mental illness.
I don't hate Israel as a concept to the degree that most people on lemmy seem to and I still call this a win. His position on Israel is totally acceptable in my opinion. He doesn't unfairly criticize it, but doesn't let it hide behind antisemitism to commit crimes (war crimes, genocide, and other less sexy violations of international law). He still calls out hamas as bad, and doesn't act like Israel isn't real.
Meanwhile the rest of his policies seem pretty good. Hopefully he can beat the republican!
As an aside though... Is it just me or does his photo on wikipedia look like "egyptian Zelenskyy"?
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mrdown@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 6d
Wow such a small difference. Glad Abdul won but it is so shameful that that much american voted for a witch saying a foreign country that commit genocide is coming to her dream
cm0002@lemy.lol · 4 pts · 6d
True, but there are 2 things at play that kinda make sense why it was such a small margin
Stevens campaign was DUMPING money into ads that was doing all kinds of shady shit from leaning into Islamophobia to pretending Obama endorsed her (She even had a cardboard cutout of Obama at a rally). From what I've heard, there was a Stevens AD on TV every couple ads in Michigan lol
And, supposedly a bunch of Republicunts were voting for Stevens in the primary because MI has an open primary and they didn't have to vote for their candidate because he was running unopposed
mrdown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
So a big chuck of americans are still islamophobic, a big chuck is still pro israel or do not care at all and other are Obama cultists. I understand the reasons but is still shsmeful
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6d
Why are you turning a win into a loss in your mind? A win is a win is a win. Stop giving yourself reasons to feel bad about it, we win here, we win in November, we win going forward. Celebrate the wins, man.
Victory in electoral politics requires the insane belief that you can convince people that you're right to want to help them. Conviction in that requires us to have hope that that is possible. Meaning we take the Ws when they come and celebrate them accordingly. Not because we're necessarily happy with the results, but because the next win requires us to be.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6d
I said glad that he won. Stop selectively reading comments
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
I then read the rest of your comment. Surprisingly, not selectively reading your comment is something you should do.
Yes, you put a caveat on your statement. Putting a caveat on a statement doesn't mean you didn't make the statement. I see your caveat and still find it wanting.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
Why would i be glad that he won if i think it is a loss? Yes this win is a win but it was a hard one despite Abdul phenomenal compaign . It still mean the zionist lobby is still strong. Are you seeing what is happened in the west bank . All aid need to be cut israel the quickest possible. In 5 years palestine may no longer exist. My preoccupations are very valid.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6d
Dude. Majority American opinion changed on this topic in the last year and the first politicians that are running on antizionist platforms are winning. What do you want here, someone to go back in time to shift American opinion even earlier?
The most powerful lobby group in America is being overthrown in real-time and you're complaining that they haven't been overthrown yet. I understand the urgency of the issue, but getting overwhelmed by the size of the task when we've just now taken the first step is just ridiculous to me.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6d
No you don't understand the urgency of the situation and you don't understand my comment. I am a realist I acknowledge this win, i am very happy about it, i also acknowledge it was not easy both are facts but idiots like you want to be blind and believe that few wins mean that aipac was overthrown. It is not. I have the right to be preoccupied about the situation while supporting the anti genocide camp to keep fighting .
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
This is my problem, dude. I'm not saying the fight is over, I'm saying celebrate the win. You claim you are and then you say me saying "celebrate the win" is cause I'm a moron who thinks it's over. Can you see why that's proof that you're not actually taking the win? You're going to burn yourself and a bunch of others out spouting this shit.
You know why movements that incorporate useful idiots get more shit done? Cause when they get the tiniest win they celebrate the shit out of it. That re-energizes them so they can then go out and accomplish an even bigger win. That shit compounds faster than capitalists bank accounts
If you always focus on the difficulty of what you're trying to accomplish and never take a beat to acknowledge your successes, you'll only ever see the difficulties. That basically guarantees that you'll fail or only ever eek by on the bare minimum.
If you're coming into a celebratory thread to throw some cold reality into it, maybe consider not doing so next time.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6d
Probably why the black panthers came up with "scratch a liberal and you'll find a fascist"
Even anti-zionist Liberals still act shocked and offended every time this is mentioned, despite all Liberal "democracies" supporting 8 decades of fascist colonialism and genocide in the Middle East. The indoctrination and cognitive dissonance is not exclusively a MAGA mental illness.
blazeknave@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
How were each polling respectively against the GOP candidate? Is this race more winnable now?
cm0002@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 6d
From what I remember there were some polls showing Stevens was in the lead and Abdul under, but they were campaign polls so sus
The last respectable poll I saw from a week ago showed Abdul +5 in a matchup against Rogers
lambdabeta@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 6d
I don't hate Israel as a concept to the degree that most people on lemmy seem to and I still call this a win. His position on Israel is totally acceptable in my opinion. He doesn't unfairly criticize it, but doesn't let it hide behind antisemitism to commit crimes (war crimes, genocide, and other less sexy violations of international law). He still calls out hamas as bad, and doesn't act like Israel isn't real.
Meanwhile the rest of his policies seem pretty good. Hopefully he can beat the republican!
As an aside though... Is it just me or does his photo on wikipedia look like "egyptian Zelenskyy"?
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · -29 pts · 6d
Im certain everything will change now!
NewDark@lemmy.today · 27 pts · 6d
If it would change nothing, AIPAC wouldn't have spent 60 million dollars to try and change the result
Coupable@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 6d
Being flippant in the face of good news doesn't make you seem pragmatic, it just makes people roll their eyes and wish you'd go away.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 6d
Most people try to hide the fact that they are assholes, but you are out here embracing it loud and proud! Keep on cunting on, pal
Psionicsickness@reddthat.com · -2 pts · 6d
Appreciate the vote of confidence.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
So edgy