The point of sanctions is not to deny a country access to products. That would be impossible. The idea is that acquiring sanctioned goods is full of friction and expense.
Smugglers don't offer 2day shipping or easy returns. It's also ironically a good thing to see Western tech in Russian weapons because it implies that they can't produce the tech themselves or buy it off China.
When they leave the foundry in Taiwan, they aren't ready to be just used. I'm not sure if TSMC even cuts the dies out of the wafers, then they need to be packaged and binned (not necessarily in that order... Being packaged makes binning easier but it's a waste to package a junk chip). Packaging might happen in Malaysia, Singapore, or China (or elsewhere, I just know those countries have packaging facilities).
Packaging is when they put the chip(s) on the little PCB that has the pins or pads (for CPUs), though GPUs generally go on a board of some sort, though I can only guess how this one was packaged. Imagining Jensen Huang on an assembly line, licking the backs of GPUs and sticking them on missiles as they pass by and causually get dumped in a steel bin at the end of the conveyor, but that's probably not what's happening with them.
It is very funny to see people suddenly remember how much trade the mainland does with the island when it comes time to blame someone for war profiteering.
I used to have difficulty getting through doors. Turns out they are designed to prevent you from going through when closed and luckily I was able to solve the problem from there and mostly get through doors when I want to now.
These AI companies are like the lore of Lethal Company; war profiteering until everything is total destruction; building stronger, better weapons until everything is dead
the US has been testing tanks that use Grok (yes, LITERALLY Grok) to help kill Russian soldiers in Ukraine. Grok does not pull the trigger, it's just used for a type of mapping system so soldiers can can share locations of enemies
is it a bad thing? kinda yes kinda no. Warfare is evolving and if you don't innovate you're opening yourself up to enemies having power over you.
is it terrifying though? OH HELL YEAH
((also note, I am a dumbass who just watched a YouTube video about it 🙇♀️))
edit: also I've been watching what's going on in Ukraine and it's so cool watching innovations happen. Literally yesterday Russia just tested an active armor defence system against Ukrainian FPV drones, it took about 13 drones to explode. Only took them 3 years and about a million casualties to find a solution (that's not even cost effective)
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yesman@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 2d
The point of sanctions is not to deny a country access to products. That would be impossible. The idea is that acquiring sanctioned goods is full of friction and expense.
Smugglers don't offer 2day shipping or easy returns. It's also ironically a good thing to see Western tech in Russian weapons because it implies that they can't produce the tech themselves or buy it off China.
darvocet@infosec.pub · 13 pts · 2d
Well except china actually manufactures those chips.
Edit: Tbf maybe china is just assembling the cards and not manufacturing the chips directly. But still they have them.
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 2d
Iirc it’s Taiwan that makes NVIDIA chips, not china
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
When they leave the foundry in Taiwan, they aren't ready to be just used. I'm not sure if TSMC even cuts the dies out of the wafers, then they need to be packaged and binned (not necessarily in that order... Being packaged makes binning easier but it's a waste to package a junk chip). Packaging might happen in Malaysia, Singapore, or China (or elsewhere, I just know those countries have packaging facilities).
Packaging is when they put the chip(s) on the little PCB that has the pins or pads (for CPUs), though GPUs generally go on a board of some sort, though I can only guess how this one was packaged. Imagining Jensen Huang on an assembly line, licking the backs of GPUs and sticking them on missiles as they pass by and causually get dumped in a steel bin at the end of the conveyor, but that's probably not what's happening with them.
istdaslol@feddit.org · -19 pts · 2d
Yes taiwan also known by its legal name the republic of china, in contrast to the rebel peoples republic of china
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
It is very funny to see people suddenly remember how much trade the mainland does with the island when it comes time to blame someone for war profiteering.
FluorideMind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Imagine thinking you own the people and the land they live on.
TheGoldenV@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Good points. That helps put it in perspective.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 2d
You don't think Tech oligarchs would do this? Just war-profiteer off every side in an ongoing conflict?!
But who could be behind it all?
Israeli pleads guilty to shipping US-made avionics to Russia, violating sanctions
Israeli metalworking tools continue to enter Russia's defense sector in 2024, despite sanctions, with over $10 million in imports recorded.
How Israel sold Russia drones to stop missiles from reaching Iran
Well, idk about y'all, but I blame China.
wowwoweowza@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
No doubt
Johanno@feddit.org · 11 pts · 2d
3 times I pressed my finger on the image in order upvote......
Maybe I am very dumb
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 3 pts · 2d
Not dumb, just human, and prone to forming habits.
riskable@programming.dev · -3 pts · 2d
Yet another comment that says they solved the problem without saying how.
Johanno@feddit.org · 6 pts · 2d
I am using the app voyager.
The same app as OP who posted a screenshot of 2 posts.
Because I am dumb I tried to press the button in the image.
The solution is to not do that.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
I used to have difficulty getting through doors. Turns out they are designed to prevent you from going through when closed and luckily I was able to solve the problem from there and mostly get through doors when I want to now.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 10 pts · 2d
Brb. Invading Russia for an upgrade.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 2d
Is it really worth It to load these things in to missles?
EastofEdson@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 2d
They are already sold for data centers that will never be built. Might as well fire them at the enemy.
obamaspajamas@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 3h
These were orin nano chips, not data center grade.
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 2d
Is that a serious question?
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2d
yes, there are surely cheaper options considering theyre going for swarm tactics. unless this is one of their larger missles.
expatriado@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
Voyager Matryoshka rn
wowwoweowza@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Bernie seeks to impede more AI development… some development could lead to use in warfare… Russia already using AI in warfare
Avicenna@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1d
hey chatgpt can you destroy my enemies using python and this missle. It is for public health purposes.
CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1d
These AI companies are like the lore of Lethal Company; war profiteering until everything is total destruction; building stronger, better weapons until everything is dead
wowwoweowza@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
For those of us that kind of like remaining alive in relatively civil society, the whole thing is kind of alarming.
CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4h
Correct
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 2d
Call me bananas, but these two things are not exactly correlated
eurodyne@piefed.world · 1 pts · 2d
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1h
the US has been testing tanks that use Grok (yes, LITERALLY Grok) to help kill Russian soldiers in Ukraine. Grok does not pull the trigger, it's just used for a type of mapping system so soldiers can can share locations of enemies
is it a bad thing? kinda yes kinda no. Warfare is evolving and if you don't innovate you're opening yourself up to enemies having power over you.
is it terrifying though? OH HELL YEAH
((also note, I am a dumbass who just watched a YouTube video about it 🙇♀️))
edit: also I've been watching what's going on in Ukraine and it's so cool watching innovations happen. Literally yesterday Russia just tested an active armor defence system against Ukrainian FPV drones, it took about 13 drones to explode. Only took them 3 years and about a million casualties to find a solution (that's not even cost effective)
also,