Yeah. This isnt a master/slave situation (even if that IS the pretense and roleplay); its a "I want to do this, you agreed to let me do this, and as soon as you say stop i will stop" situation
More like "I want you to do this to me, and you want to do this to me, but if at any point either of us don't want to, then we both stop". Doms have been pressured into doing far more than they're comfortable as well.
hmmm in my mind rewards are like - overwhelming your subbie and really going ham on them and kissing them all over furiously and such, making them lose that feeling of needing to hide how nice they feel. but a punishment! >o< im honestly not sure what that would even be... iguess teasing. hurting them feels wrong...
but that is terrible!!! ignoring them... no, nonono, I couldnt do that. Neglegance goes beyond punishment, that is just... cruel. in the sad way. in the lonely cold not-fun-al-all way.
thats no fun. not for me, not for the subbie, no I don't want that, thats just so very sad I couldnt bare neglecting... no, no that feels bad... imma stay with teasing
This reminds me some deep thinking i did on the topic of consent and morality.
And concluded that actually, bear with me with this heck of a statement
“Facism is not evil”
Of course facism as humans have made it and historically expressed it is very much super evil with no doubt. Absolutely no doubt, i identify as antifa for a reason.
But this is part of the larger philosophy that ”there is no objective good or evil in the universe”
So what makes things subjective good or evil.
Is it evil to organise a games of change fixed to have the house win majority of times? Not if the players are informed and consent to play
(Consent also means the person is capable of controlling/understanding their actions, exploiting addiction is harm)
Is it evil to have sex with someone? Not if there is consent and clear boundaries.
Is it evil to humiliate and hurt someone? Not if there is consent and clear boundaries.
How big of a step is it to go from bdsm master slave play to a fascist powerplay.
I can even imagine a ethical functional economic organisation who runs on a fetishised version of Mussolini's facism. But it cannot exist in the world we live now.
If all the workers consent and want to work in these conditions, same with the partners. And they leave everyone else alone. There is effectively no harm and no evil.
Such does require a world where there is total freedom of work meaning you are not incentivised in any way to work with organisations you are uncomfortable with.
Disclaimer, i am not into any of these things. But i accept that people can have weird kinks. Everything is ok as long as it causes no harm.
Arent all social interactions essentially a form of roleplay based on context?
Its the expression of the idea itself and adhering to the guardrails that count, how serious the performer is on the insider matters less and is not always an easy tell.
38 Comments
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 78 pts · 16d
yes one positively shudders at the thought :3
thestrike@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 16d
🫨🫨🫨 (⸝⸝๑﹏๑⸝⸝)
Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 46 pts · 16d
Im too much of a good girl to break the rules i could never be a brat 😞
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 16d
Who gave you permission to talk?
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 14d
☹️
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 15d
well behaved subs rarely make history
decolo@piefed.social · 44 pts · 16d
They should make a bdsm for anarchists who want a little erotic violence without the power hierarchy
rockerface@lemmy.cafe · 41 pts · 16d
BDSM, by definition, doesn't have hierarchy. Because the whole thing is based on consent.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 15 pts · 16d
People usually also have special words to stop the acting
decolo@piefed.social · 21 pts · 16d
I should say, without hierarchy play, more like ... I dunno,
nude judoranked competitive sexnot_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 15d
maybe play fighting?
Hupf@feddit.org · 4 pts · 16d
nude jitsu?
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 14d
i hear your mom is reigning champion
decolo@piefed.social · 2 pts · 14d
she's too strong, I can't beat her 😔
froufox@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 15d
what's a safe word to stop capitalism?
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 4 pts · 14d
Kill the rich
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 14d
"solidarity"
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 16d
Yeah. This isnt a master/slave situation (even if that IS the pretense and roleplay); its a "I want to do this, you agreed to let me do this, and as soon as you say stop i will stop" situation
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 14d
More like "I want you to do this to me, and you want to do this to me, but if at any point either of us don't want to, then we both stop". Doms have been pressured into doing far more than they're comfortable as well.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 16d
That's why you need actual punishments like tickle torture or no cake.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 15d
Isn't the cake a lie anyway?
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 14d
Kitten: I hereby sentence you to half an hour of MrBeast
pulsey@feddit.org · 3 pts · 13d
pretty sure that's a human rights violation.
Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 16d
I'm such a fucking brat lol
benderbeerman@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 16d
Wait, are we talking about bdsm or capitalism... I'm lost
pulsey@feddit.org · 0 pts · 13d
they are the same
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 16d
hmmm in my mind rewards are like - overwhelming your subbie and really going ham on them and kissing them all over furiously and such, making them lose that feeling of needing to hide how nice they feel. but a punishment! >o< im honestly not sure what that would even be... iguess teasing. hurting them feels wrong...
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16d
Punishment could just be ignoring them
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 16d
but that is terrible!!! ignoring them... no, nonono, I couldnt do that. Neglegance goes beyond punishment, that is just... cruel. in the sad way. in the lonely cold not-fun-al-all way.
thats no fun. not for me, not for the subbie, no I don't want that, thats just so very sad I couldnt bare neglecting... no, no that feels bad... imma stay with teasing
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 16d
Well you don't have to ignore them for a while day lol. Just a couple minutes. Or walk to the kitchen and make yourself a sandwich then come back.
Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 16d
but leaving them lonely.... no. I couldnt do that.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 15d
What is this? ABA?
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 16d
You should really think of them more as funishments.
D1re_W0lf@piefed.social · 16 pts · 16d
Coffbratscoff
halfapage@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 16d
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 16d
This reminds me some deep thinking i did on the topic of consent and morality.
And concluded that actually, bear with me with this heck of a statement
“Facism is not evil”
Of course facism as humans have made it and historically expressed it is very much super evil with no doubt. Absolutely no doubt, i identify as antifa for a reason.
But this is part of the larger philosophy that ”there is no objective good or evil in the universe”
So what makes things subjective good or evil.
Is it evil to organise a games of change fixed to have the house win majority of times? Not if the players are informed and consent to play (Consent also means the person is capable of controlling/understanding their actions, exploiting addiction is harm)
Is it evil to have sex with someone? Not if there is consent and clear boundaries.
Is it evil to humiliate and hurt someone? Not if there is consent and clear boundaries.
How big of a step is it to go from bdsm master slave play to a fascist powerplay.
I can even imagine a ethical functional economic organisation who runs on a fetishised version of Mussolini's facism. But it cannot exist in the world we live now.
If all the workers consent and want to work in these conditions, same with the partners. And they leave everyone else alone. There is effectively no harm and no evil. Such does require a world where there is total freedom of work meaning you are not incentivised in any way to work with organisations you are uncomfortable with.
Disclaimer, i am not into any of these things. But i accept that people can have weird kinks. Everything is ok as long as it causes no harm.
melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 15d
You're greatly stretching the definition of fascism here. You're more describing fascism roleplay than "non-evil fascism".
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 14d
Arent all social interactions essentially a form of roleplay based on context?
Its the expression of the idea itself and adhering to the guardrails that count, how serious the performer is on the insider matters less and is not always an easy tell.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 16d
The penalties for rule violations are in fact incentived. Let's see you spell everything correctively by sweeping