True, but I've moved to using winget for everything that allows it, as I can then update allllll my programs with one command just like Linux, no more searching for and downloading updated installers, this does it all:
Absolutely.. But our mates at Linux sucks love to exaggerate. So why don't we eh
You do need to sign up for a Microsoft account though to use the store.. and Microsoft likely uses the list of downloaded apps for their own benefit to know what to target (similar to what I suspect apple does)
so? So MS now knows you use VLC? So what? You think the MS version has injected some malware/spyware? I love Linux...I use Deb, but man...troubleshooting that OS is fucking retarded as shit.
I should have been more clear, honestly I forgot they even have a paid service because it's entirely unnecessary.
No, just go to ninite.com and tick boxes for software you want, download the one .exe it packages for you, and that .exe will not just install your chosen software but also update it too. Also strips out bloatware that's typically bundled with free software, automatically says no to everything no self respecting person wants, that kind of thing.
back when I used to be the personal help desk for some of the most illiterate end users alive, I kept ninite with firefox, vlc, various runtime environments, libre office, I forget what else, on a flash drive next to my win7 (later win10) install flash drive, so I could do a wipe and reinstall with some degree of expediency.
I don't miss it, but I remember some of what I was doing.
Not gonna lie...installing anything on windows is so much easier... While I like Linux...installing and troubleshoot anything on linux is soo fucking cumbersome I would not use linux as my daily.
Is it as easy as double-clinking an icon? Or do I have to create some program to install and troubleshoot incompatible dependencies? Seriously...Linux needs to think in terms of someone who know nothing about PC's and only uses a iphone...not even an android! ...if you can believe that...just ask any schmoo off the street.
With flat pak it literally is clicking an icon and pressing install. Same as rpms.
The dependencies bullshit isn't a real thing. It's just something people who are trolling say.... Which makes me wonder....
Windows isn't easy. If they don't use windows store, most apps run their own auto update thing in the background.
And macOS is a terrible example of usability. It's actually used as an example of bad /inconsistent design in uni . Even something as basic as remote support using anydesk is a nightmare on MacOS these days
I use Debian (before that slackware)...so don't use rpm(red hat, etc.). I can tell you dependencies and troubleshooting that crap IS VERY MUCH A REAL thing! Flat packs are nice if they exist, if not...hopefully 'sudo apt-get install' picks it all up. Windows is actually still easier to troubleshoot, because it got a more robust central support..enterprise-wise...good luck with Linux...search the web forever! I can't speak to MacOS, since Jobs left. I imagine its a shit show nowadays. However their iphone is unbeaten...stuff just works! ..in weird ways.
Yes, that's very true...Debian is definitely not user friendly. However it is the most streamlined Linux out there next to slackware...now that's a cluster-fucking linux nerd orgy! I used Redhat back in the day...but it left me feeling the distro was getting too commercialized. I may revisit it. To follow your analogy... Debian is more like buying a sports car and complaining why it doesn't come in automatic? :-)
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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 15d
sudo apt install vlctanisnikana@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 15d
Still better than Microslop.
otacon239@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15d
You can add
-yto skip step 3 as well.redbrick@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 15d
yeah, I'm not typing all that...click and be done.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
It takes one second to type, so much faster than dragging a mouse around and hunting for pictographs in multiple steps
redbrick@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
BS.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
Learn to type, kid.
redbrick@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
I did...learn to read. (What an asshole! Sorry...just thinking out loud.)
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 15d
On windows, it takes me two steps:
I still prefer Linux though, for many other reasons.
timewarp@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
Yeah, was going to say the same thing. I prefer Linux too but I think they are intentionally doing an unfair comparison here.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
They are. Linuxsucks says stupid things like this all the time though, so figured why not lol
redbrick@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
not even...just find the downloaded executable, aim your mouse and double click the install icon...go!
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
True, but I've moved to using winget for everything that allows it, as I can then update allllll my programs with one command just like Linux, no more searching for and downloading updated installers, this does it all:
redbrick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
Oh that's cool. I'll test this out on my next VM spin up.
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15d
To be fair, on Windows:
auzy1@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
Absolutely.. But our mates at Linux sucks love to exaggerate. So why don't we eh
You do need to sign up for a Microsoft account though to use the store.. and Microsoft likely uses the list of downloaded apps for their own benefit to know what to target (similar to what I suspect apple does)
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
You dont need a Microsoft account to download most free apps, including VLC.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
You can't even use windows anymore without a Microsoft account....
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
You can use a local account on Windows versions Pro and up
auzy1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Didn't actually realize that. I use pro in my VM. Still stupid though
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Yep, just say you are setting it up as a Business pc and you want to put it on a domain, and itll let you create a local account.
waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Please sign in to your Microsoft account to continue
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
You dont need a Microsoft account to download most free apps, including VLC.
redbrick@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 15d
so? So MS now knows you use VLC? So what? You think the MS version has injected some malware/spyware? I love Linux...I use Deb, but man...troubleshooting that OS is fucking retarded as shit.
waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
I use a local account so I never bother with the ms store.
redbrick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d
Yeah me too. Local acct privilege, then question 'why' anything needs admin level access.
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
If for some ungodly reason you're stuck on windows, I highly recommend using ninite.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Or Winget.. which is basically just a copy of what Linux does
redbrick@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
what's this? I duck-go'ed it and it some payware?
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
I should have been more clear, honestly I forgot they even have a paid service because it's entirely unnecessary.
No, just go to ninite.com and tick boxes for software you want, download the one .exe it packages for you, and that .exe will not just install your chosen software but also update it too. Also strips out bloatware that's typically bundled with free software, automatically says no to everything no self respecting person wants, that kind of thing.
redbrick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Okay, thanks for the tip. I'll test on VM and deploy if it proves itself. Thanks.
glimse@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 15d
I've used it on basically every windows install for the past uhhh 20 years maybe? It's not a must-have but it sure speeds things up.
It doesn't have everything on there but it makes installing common programs so much easier.
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
back when I used to be the personal help desk for some of the most illiterate end users alive, I kept ninite with firefox, vlc, various runtime environments, libre office, I forget what else, on a flash drive next to my win7 (later win10) install flash drive, so I could do a wipe and reinstall with some degree of expediency.
I don't miss it, but I remember some of what I was doing.
redbrick@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 15d
Not gonna lie...installing anything on windows is so much easier... While I like Linux...installing and troubleshoot anything on linux is soo fucking cumbersome I would not use linux as my daily.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 15d
Not really in fedora. Everything is flatpak now or rpm .
Steam is basically automatic too, gog is inbound and epic store is inbound.
The biggest issue with windows also is that most updates aren't properly centralized
redbrick@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 15d
Is it as easy as double-clinking an icon? Or do I have to create some program to install and troubleshoot incompatible dependencies? Seriously...Linux needs to think in terms of someone who know nothing about PC's and only uses a iphone...not even an android! ...if you can believe that...just ask any schmoo off the street.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 15d
What are you talking about?
With flat pak it literally is clicking an icon and pressing install. Same as rpms.
The dependencies bullshit isn't a real thing. It's just something people who are trolling say.... Which makes me wonder....
Windows isn't easy. If they don't use windows store, most apps run their own auto update thing in the background.
And macOS is a terrible example of usability. It's actually used as an example of bad /inconsistent design in uni . Even something as basic as remote support using anydesk is a nightmare on MacOS these days
redbrick@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 14d
I use Debian (before that slackware)...so don't use rpm(red hat, etc.). I can tell you dependencies and troubleshooting that crap IS VERY MUCH A REAL thing! Flat packs are nice if they exist, if not...hopefully 'sudo apt-get install' picks it all up. Windows is actually still easier to troubleshoot, because it got a more robust central support..enterprise-wise...good luck with Linux...search the web forever! I can't speak to MacOS, since Jobs left. I imagine its a shit show nowadays. However their iphone is unbeaten...stuff just works! ..in weird ways.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14d
Debian is not considered a user friendly distro..
It's like buying a race car, and complaining its uncomfortable. I have used debian in the past
redbrick@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13d
Yes, that's very true...Debian is definitely not user friendly. However it is the most streamlined Linux out there next to slackware...now that's a cluster-fucking linux nerd orgy! I used Redhat back in the day...but it left me feeling the distro was getting too commercialized. I may revisit it. To follow your analogy... Debian is more like buying a sports car and complaining why it doesn't come in automatic? :-)