If ever there was an example of how badly politicians need their advisors, she is it.
Possibly the stupidest politician to have ever been given a relevant position in politics (and that's saying something given the current state of much of the worlds politics).
She can't take questions that go off script, and when she is talking, you can see the concentration on her face as she tries to remember what she was told to say.
The advisors have it right this time, but I can't even begin to visualise how many products would be missing from ever y sector of the market with sanctions on Israeli goods.
I heard about exactly 2 of the actual Israeli companies on this boycott list (Sodastream and Fiverr). Most are "just" international companies with some ties to Israel, this often means supplying the IDF.
Israel does not even seem to produce that much consumer goods. 50% of their exports are computer tech, a significant part of it is cybersecurity and surveillance tech. Intel, Micron & Co. are producing some chips in Israel, although the global chip market is properly fucked anyway. Also in a case of sanctions they would probably just adjust their supply lines so the production from Israel goes somewhere else and some other country sends its production to the EU.
Another big sector is cut diamonds.
I feel like nearly no private person would even notice it if Israeli goods disappeared. Ban them now. Nothing of value is lost.
Proper sanctions would include any companies that have medium-high impact.
Obviously high impact would be a priority, and go from there, but even with just the high impact companies sanctioned, that's a lot of products.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good thing and will open the market up to a lot of the smaller/lesser known competitors, while stopping the general public around the world from unintentionally assisting the funding of the genocide.
Most of the international companies are listed there because they are supplying their products to Israel, not because Israel is exporting goods.
Even if the sanctions include companies that supply Israel: If a company is forced to decide between trade with 10 million Israelis or 450 million EU-citizens, the EU wins every time. The companies would just stop trading with Israel and continue trade with the EU. The market is too big to lose.
Yes. Same as those that were sanctioned with Russia.
win-win.
The market opens up for smaller companies, or has detrimental effect on the Israeli arm of them. As an example, Israeli coca-cola company
The Central Beverage Company, known as Coca-Cola Israel, is a private Israeli manufacturer and distributor of soft drinks, dairy products and alcoholic beverages. The company is the exclusive franchisee of The Coca-Cola Company in Israel.
A sanction would have little to no effect on coca-cola products outside Israel, but would damage that Israeli company.
whereas companies like Nestle: (who have their own issues anyway)
Nestlé, a Swiss multinational, has a presence in Israel through its investment in Osem, a major Israeli food producer. This investment connects Nestlé to various local industries and markets, broadening its involvement in the region.
It would have minor effect on them, and we would be better for it.
Regardless of how little or big the overall impact would be for each company, it needs to be pushed through sooner than later, and while I hate 'comparing' wars, what Israel is doing to Palestine with zero consequences as much of the rest of the world is concerned, is far more devastating to them than what is happening in Ukraine, and look at the ongoing sanctions on Russia.
You can grab an adapter for the large bar style canisters of CO2 for about 15 or 20 bucks online. Just hide the bottle under a counter or something and run the very thin line up to the unit. It works great.
The bonus is that the cost per bottle goes down to about a penny and you're not giving them a dime.
Idk, people make beer at home. I'd think you could use some of that stuff and make fizzy water. Fountain drinks are highly profitable, so it'd be super cheap in the long run.
Yeah, no idea how they work. Coincidentally I only ever saw the first one last week on a promo via some German site.
A quick search shows this list
I'm sure that there are many more. I also saw another list about the different methods of flavour infusion, not just syrups.. it caught my attention.
Edit..
I checked the price on the top one when I first saw the list, and it said €59.
After I posted the link here, I went back again, as they were cheaper than I thought they would be.
Now it says €88.90.. 🤔
21 Comments
Babalugats@feddit.uk · -3 pts · 2d
If ever there was an example of how badly politicians need their advisors, she is it. Possibly the stupidest politician to have ever been given a relevant position in politics (and that's saying something given the current state of much of the worlds politics).
She can't take questions that go off script, and when she is talking, you can see the concentration on her face as she tries to remember what she was told to say.
The advisors have it right this time, but I can't even begin to visualise how many products would be missing from ever y sector of the market with sanctions on Israeli goods.
I just hope that they get it done, and fast.
napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org · 17 pts · 2d
https://boycott-israel.org/boycott.html
I heard about exactly 2 of the actual Israeli companies on this boycott list (Sodastream and Fiverr). Most are "just" international companies with some ties to Israel, this often means supplying the IDF.
Israel does not even seem to produce that much consumer goods. 50% of their exports are computer tech, a significant part of it is cybersecurity and surveillance tech. Intel, Micron & Co. are producing some chips in Israel, although the global chip market is properly fucked anyway. Also in a case of sanctions they would probably just adjust their supply lines so the production from Israel goes somewhere else and some other country sends its production to the EU. Another big sector is cut diamonds.
I feel like nearly no private person would even notice it if Israeli goods disappeared. Ban them now. Nothing of value is lost.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Intel would basically be dead in the water, Fab28A makes all their 10nm/'7nm' tiles and Fab28 is their frontrunner 14A fab.
Intel's Israeli fabs have historically had the best yield too.
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2d
Proper sanctions would include any companies that have medium-high impact.
Obviously high impact would be a priority, and go from there, but even with just the high impact companies sanctioned, that's a lot of products.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good thing and will open the market up to a lot of the smaller/lesser known competitors, while stopping the general public around the world from unintentionally assisting the funding of the genocide.
napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org · 4 pts · 2d
Most of the international companies are listed there because they are supplying their products to Israel, not because Israel is exporting goods.
Even if the sanctions include companies that supply Israel: If a company is forced to decide between trade with 10 million Israelis or 450 million EU-citizens, the EU wins every time. The companies would just stop trading with Israel and continue trade with the EU. The market is too big to lose.
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 2d
Yes. Same as those that were sanctioned with Russia. win-win. The market opens up for smaller companies, or has detrimental effect on the Israeli arm of them. As an example, Israeli coca-cola company
A sanction would have little to no effect on coca-cola products outside Israel, but would damage that Israeli company.
whereas companies like Nestle: (who have their own issues anyway)
It would have minor effect on them, and we would be better for it.
Regardless of how little or big the overall impact would be for each company, it needs to be pushed through sooner than later, and while I hate 'comparing' wars, what Israel is doing to Palestine with zero consequences as much of the rest of the world is concerned, is far more devastating to them than what is happening in Ukraine, and look at the ongoing sanctions on Russia.
it's crazy.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 12 pts · 2d
Uh... not that many? Israel is a country of 10 million people; it's not exactly the world factory.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d
It sucks that Sodastream is an Isreali company, It has finally got me mostly off sugery sodas.
But now I don't really want to get new cartridges, even third party, as I don't want to support them even through licensing fees
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 2d
You can grab an adapter for the large bar style canisters of CO2 for about 15 or 20 bucks online. Just hide the bottle under a counter or something and run the very thin line up to the unit. It works great.
The bonus is that the cost per bottle goes down to about a penny and you're not giving them a dime.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
I don't, since I was made aware I only buy store brand refills
stoy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2d
I still suspect that the third party cartridges require the manufacturer to pay a license fee to Sodastream
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Idk they are a lot cheaper, and the company was quick to adopt another clipping system, but I'm not sure if they receive a kickback.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Idk, people make beer at home. I'd think you could use some of that stuff and make fizzy water. Fountain drinks are highly profitable, so it'd be super cheap in the long run.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
There aren't any license fees, Sodastream is well out of protection now.
Just don't buy sodastream brand refills.
firebyte@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Here you go! Much cheaper in the long run too.
https://kegland.com.au/collections/sodastream-parts
sanpo@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2d
That actually isn't always true.
Where I live there are so many third parties offering refills that doing it yourself is always more expensive.
stoy@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 2d
Damn, that's cool!
Too bad I am on the other side of the world....
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2d
There are similar adapters available at lots of places online.
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2d
There are tons of soda stream alternatives now, even some that don't require Co2, (but they're probably a lot more expensive).
I've no idea what any of them are like though.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Don't require Co2?
Isn't that the entire point of sodastream?
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 2d
Yeah, no idea how they work. Coincidentally I only ever saw the first one last week on a promo via some German site. A quick search shows this list
I'm sure that there are many more. I also saw another list about the different methods of flavour infusion, not just syrups.. it caught my attention.
Edit..
I checked the price on the top one when I first saw the list, and it said €59. After I posted the link here, I went back again, as they were cheaper than I thought they would be. Now it says €88.90.. 🤔