Maybe someone should invest in building a paid parking deck if it's sucg a problem, instead of relying on public infrastructure to support inefficient transportation.
Have you been to Berkley? It’s the least car-friendly city in the Bay Area. Has great public transportation. Again, it’s a poor example for a fuck cars argument.
Exactly, the fuck cars movement already won in Berkeley. Calm the fuck down and let the residents park their cars. And STFU if you don’t drive or bike in Berkley on a regular basis.
Park their cars where? On public streets restricting their intended use? Why are you trying to prevent cars from driving in the road because you don’t have a place to put your car?
Have you been? You keep spelling it wrong lol. Public transportation there is far from perfect. And as someone that rode a bike there as my primary mode of transportation for 4.5 years (aside from walking and the occasional bus ride when the route was convenient), I can confidently say it's in definite need of some updated biking infrastructure. There were some very sketchy places to ride.
I lived there from 2017-2022. I saw some of those upgrades, and I have been back a few times. As was mentioned with that map, is that some of those bike paths still aren't exactly safe with how close you are to traffic. Many of those are just cross streets with a bicycle painted on the ground.
Here's a map of proper bike lanes, and areas of high and low stress in the city. You can see there's still work to be done. Don't get me wrong, you can get around most places, but those high stress areas are hard to avoid sometimes.
Here's what some of those "paths" look like from that original map posted above.
And here is the street in question, for the proposed upgrade.
Here's a map of the bike lane network in Berkeley. Not bad but you'll notice the vast majority of streets don't have them, including some that are quite busy. And some of these existing lanes aren't really safe with the speed of traffic on them.
I'm allowed to have an opinion on it. And If you make poor, false arguments, expect pushback.
And I'd wager good money that the residents of Berkeley are for it, which is why the council voted for it 7-2. But there are always going to be entitled children who whine about things nonetheless.
Sometimes. But this statement shows a very poor understanding of politics. Politicians don't just do unpopular things for fun. They do them when their political constituency demands it. And that constituency can only override political will when they have a lot of unaccountable power.
Flock is popular with cops. That's why flock gets approved. There's no major institutional force out there pushing for bike lanes. Just grassroots advocates. If anything, you can see from this lawsuit how wealthy people are opposed to it, so it must be really popular to override that.
But regardless, taking issue with my evidence but only offering your own feelings in return is a very weak argument. So I'd say put up or shut up.
Yeah that's why I said I doubt it, not I know for a fact that's not the case. Because I don't know first hand. That's literally what the text of my comment implies and was meant to imply.
The doubt comes from the fact that I literally can't envision any scenario at all whatsoever where prioritizing car parking anywhere for anything is actually beneficial to anyone, including car users themselves.
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0ndead@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 7h
Parking in Berkley is harder to find than the abundance of existing bike lanes
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 6h
Maybe someone should invest in building a paid parking deck if it's sucg a problem, instead of relying on public infrastructure to support inefficient transportation.
0ndead@infosec.pub · -5 pts · 6h
Have you been to Berkley? It’s the least car-friendly city in the Bay Area. Has great public transportation. Again, it’s a poor example for a fuck cars argument.
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 2 pts · 5h
No no, I feel like this is just signs that its working.
0ndead@infosec.pub · -10 pts · 5h
Exactly, the fuck cars movement already won in Berkeley. Calm the fuck down and let the residents park their cars. And STFU if you don’t drive or bike in Berkley on a regular basis.
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 7 pts · 5h
No thanks, go put your car somewhere else. The fact you're crying about it means its working as intended for the people who live there.
hankmurphy@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 38m
Park their cars where? On public streets restricting their intended use? Why are you trying to prevent cars from driving in the road because you don’t have a place to put your car?
0ndead@infosec.pub · 0 pts · 37m
It seems driving and parking are difficult concepts for some of you.
pumpupthejam@piefed.social · 2 pts · 4h
Globally, or just there in that country?
Answered with a down vote like a child.
save_the_humans@leminal.space · 1 pts · 1h
Have you been? You keep spelling it wrong lol. Public transportation there is far from perfect. And as someone that rode a bike there as my primary mode of transportation for 4.5 years (aside from walking and the occasional bus ride when the route was convenient), I can confidently say it's in definite need of some updated biking infrastructure. There were some very sketchy places to ride.
0ndead@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 1h
Go back and check it out. It has been updated. There’s even a map in this thread.
save_the_humans@leminal.space · 2 pts · 7m
I lived there from 2017-2022. I saw some of those upgrades, and I have been back a few times. As was mentioned with that map, is that some of those bike paths still aren't exactly safe with how close you are to traffic. Many of those are just cross streets with a bicycle painted on the ground.
Here's a map of proper bike lanes, and areas of high and low stress in the city. You can see there's still work to be done. Don't get me wrong, you can get around most places, but those high stress areas are hard to avoid sometimes.
Here's what some of those "paths" look like from that original map posted above.
And here is the street in question, for the proposed upgrade.
0ndead@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 5m
That’s well put together comment. Upvoted.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 5h
Being the least bad doesn't mean it's any good
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 2h
Here's a map of the bike lane network in Berkeley. Not bad but you'll notice the vast majority of streets don't have them, including some that are quite busy. And some of these existing lanes aren't really safe with the speed of traffic on them.
https://bikeeastbay.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Berkeley-bike-map-2026.pdf
What do you suppose a map of street parking would look like? Does the fact that there is no such map tell us anything?
0ndead@infosec.pub · -6 pts · 2h
You know, I’m glad this is up to the residents of Berkley and not some internet warriors on Lemmy.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 2h
I'm allowed to have an opinion on it. And If you make poor, false arguments, expect pushback.
And I'd wager good money that the residents of Berkeley are for it, which is why the council voted for it 7-2. But there are always going to be entitled children who whine about things nonetheless.
0ndead@infosec.pub · -4 pts · 2h
City council decisions are not a public vote. But hey, that’s like your opinion, man.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1h
Sure, but they're correlated with public opinion. If you've got polling data then feel free to share. But I'm guessing this is the best we've got.
0ndead@infosec.pub · -3 pts · 1h
I hate to break it to you, but most city councils give zero fucks about public opinion. See flock.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 1h
Sometimes. But this statement shows a very poor understanding of politics. Politicians don't just do unpopular things for fun. They do them when their political constituency demands it. And that constituency can only override political will when they have a lot of unaccountable power.
Flock is popular with cops. That's why flock gets approved. There's no major institutional force out there pushing for bike lanes. Just grassroots advocates. If anything, you can see from this lawsuit how wealthy people are opposed to it, so it must be really popular to override that.
But regardless, taking issue with my evidence but only offering your own feelings in return is a very weak argument. So I'd say put up or shut up.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 6h
Some people would take that as a hint
0ndead@infosec.pub · -10 pts · 6h
Berkley is a poor example for the fuck cars arguments
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 6h
I doubt it
0ndead@infosec.pub · -7 pts · 6h
Sounds like you’ve never been there
Maybe stick your commenting on Canadian topics instead of cities you’ve never visited.The previous comment was rude and uncalled for. I apologize.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 5h
Yeah that's why I said I doubt it, not I know for a fact that's not the case. Because I don't know first hand. That's literally what the text of my comment implies and was meant to imply.
The doubt comes from the fact that I literally can't envision any scenario at all whatsoever where prioritizing car parking anywhere for anything is actually beneficial to anyone, including car users themselves.
Pomal@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5h
InfoSec.pub user, you probably make 6+ figures and haven’t ridden a bike in iver a decade.
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 5h
To be fair, in my experience that's exactly the kind of person I'd expect to see on a bike.
Pomal@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 5h
While these sets do overlap, they aren’t as complete as most might think. There’s still a lot of pinkertons lurking around in that crowd.
0ndead@infosec.pub · -2 pts · 5h
Cry about it
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 2 pts · 5h
Buddy, you can't even make a convincing argument.
Quiet, piggie.
Pomal@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 5h
Case in point, you want to make policy that you’ve only seen one side of the story without living the other end of it.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 3h
I've been there and you're full of shit.
It's better than most American cities but that's like saying it smells better than most dead fish.
0ndead@infosec.pub · -2 pts · 3h
In the last year?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 3h
I think it's been slightly more than a year but somehow I doubt they've transformed the entire city in the last 18 months.