The idea sprang to mind immediately of sending a single square of used toilet paper delivered to Trump with no note or context. Probably why I'm not fit to lead a country.
No part of that article talks about Greenland. What evidence am I supposed to be looking at?
That aside, given the EU's absolutely horrendous track record when it comes to standing up for anything, I have zero faith that any EU country would try to retake US-held territory via marine invasion. It's just not gonna happen.
Itâs a survey about what people in some countries in the eu want. Lots of stuff. Not a single question explicitly about Greenland. But evidence that can lead to more informed opinions (eg countries who wouldnât mind sending troops to Ukraine now which isnât an eu country).
I know itâs a lot of work making inferences from data where you canât just ctrl f a word and get an answer.
But the overall picture isnât that citizens of the eu are feeling passive and just going to write letters. And I know that wasnât a question either. Tricky is this thing called evidence.
First, what EU citizens want isn't the deciding factor here; EU leadership won't get into a hot war with America their constituents be damned. Second, tell me which parts of that article you think support your conclusion and how. I can't respond to an argument you only made in your head. "EU citizens don't like America and want to be independent from it" does not lead to "EU citizens would support a hot war with America over Greenland" which does not lead to "EU leadership will get into a hot war with America over Greenland." Third, I'm getting tired of your condescension and won't respond again if you keep talking like this.
European or non European nations donât have to get into a hot war with the US to affect and sway outcomes, it simply has to announce plans to call in debts, sell bonds, stop buying bonds, replace the dollar as a trade/international currency, recall any stored gold in the US treasury, implement trade agreements with nations outside the us while announcing embargoes on US goods, tariff necessary goods from the US to force their nationals to find alternatives or reduce use.
That would throw the US into a full blown depression and would reduce capabilities to manufacture weapons and goods for general public use so hard the US would be forced to capitulate to demands for withdrawal from any NATO nation.
Any economic damage taken by America would be at least matched in Europe, so EU leadership (and citizens) would have to be willing to throw their own economies into a depression to do the same to the US, assuming it's even possible to do so. That aside, I doubt even that scenario would stop Trump and co.
Yeah I agree but, a little reminder Europes current stance is this âWait for the next American president to get on the knees for this one has been in too many childrenâ-European Union.
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mcSlibinas@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 1d
The World should sent fuel bills to Trump.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 9 pts · 1d
How about compensation for all his other victims over the years, too, and the ones he facilitated for his bestie.
BurgerBaron@quokk.au · 5 pts · 1d
The idea sprang to mind immediately of sending a single square of used toilet paper delivered to Trump with no note or context. Probably why I'm not fit to lead a country.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 1d
Bahahahaahahaaahhaha
This will be the catalyst for invading Greenland eventually and the whole military will be on board with it. đ
Europe better fucking nut up, shit's about to get hot soon. Hopefully they learned from Iran and start making dumb missiles ASAP
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 4 pts · 1d
Europe is going to respond to an invasion of Greenland... by writing a strongly worded letter. Remember, you've heard it here first!
Fishy@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1d
Thank you for sharing the typical conservative talking points about the EU
While you are here, you may want to look at some (scary I know) actual evidence https://ecfr.eu/publication/home-alone-europeans-are-ready-to-defend-themselves/ about how people in the EU actually feel and what they are willing to do
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · -3 pts · 1d
No part of that article talks about Greenland. What evidence am I supposed to be looking at?
That aside, given the EU's absolutely horrendous track record when it comes to standing up for anything, I have zero faith that any EU country would try to retake US-held territory via marine invasion. It's just not gonna happen.
Fishy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Itâs a survey about what people in some countries in the eu want. Lots of stuff. Not a single question explicitly about Greenland. But evidence that can lead to more informed opinions (eg countries who wouldnât mind sending troops to Ukraine now which isnât an eu country).
I know itâs a lot of work making inferences from data where you canât just ctrl f a word and get an answer.
But the overall picture isnât that citizens of the eu are feeling passive and just going to write letters. And I know that wasnât a question either. Tricky is this thing called evidence.
And this was just one survey of many that exist.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 1d
First, what EU citizens want isn't the deciding factor here; EU leadership won't get into a hot war with America their constituents be damned. Second, tell me which parts of that article you think support your conclusion and how. I can't respond to an argument you only made in your head. "EU citizens don't like America and want to be independent from it" does not lead to "EU citizens would support a hot war with America over Greenland" which does not lead to "EU leadership will get into a hot war with America over Greenland." Third, I'm getting tired of your condescension and won't respond again if you keep talking like this.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 4 pts · 1d
European or non European nations donât have to get into a hot war with the US to affect and sway outcomes, it simply has to announce plans to call in debts, sell bonds, stop buying bonds, replace the dollar as a trade/international currency, recall any stored gold in the US treasury, implement trade agreements with nations outside the us while announcing embargoes on US goods, tariff necessary goods from the US to force their nationals to find alternatives or reduce use.
That would throw the US into a full blown depression and would reduce capabilities to manufacture weapons and goods for general public use so hard the US would be forced to capitulate to demands for withdrawal from any NATO nation.
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1d
Remind me how well did that work with germany during the depression?
A wounded rabid animal is still dangerous.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 0 pts · 1d
Any economic damage taken by America would be at least matched in Europe, so EU leadership (and citizens) would have to be willing to throw their own economies into a depression to do the same to the US, assuming it's even possible to do so. That aside, I doubt even that scenario would stop Trump and co.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
They, wouldn't I'll, learn nothing and will, assist the USA in destroying Iran by imposing additional sanctions
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Yeah I agree but, a little reminder Europes current stance is this âWait for the next American president to get on the knees for this one has been in too many childrenâ-European Union.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1d
Just imagine if he were a Ruissian shill like people accused him of being. Heâd probably demand exactly this.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
How about demanding Israel to return all the billions they got?
Maeve@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 1d
The scapegoat pays their debt in other ways.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 17 pts · 1d
Remember, owed money was the reason Russia gave for invading Crimea years ago. Sounds like someoneâs been talking to daddy Putin recently.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1d
I was already assuming that meeting the CIA chief had with Putin was about receiving instructions. Looks like I was right.
TBi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Yes but just because he walks like a Russian asset, talks like a Russian asset and quacks like a Russian asset ⌠doesnât make him a Russian asset.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 5 pts · 1d
He doesn't even know he's a Russian asset. He's that stupid. He's that easily manipulated.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
GodDAMN his demented rapist ass.
Dear internet jesus, please drop a grand piano on him post-haste.
atro_city@fedia.io · 9 pts · 1d
Europe should just accept the debt, then kick out all big tech and say "we will keep the money in Europe and pay you back when we're ready". Fuck em'.
Mihies@programming.dev · 8 pts · 1d
I fear Europe will appease the Orange, judging on current politicians.