Who cares? Isn't the point of it being federated that you can join whatever instance and have the same experience (ignoring of course whatever that particular instance is doing for modrration)
Except one fatal flaw for Lemmy. Communities are centralized on servers and the default view is "one community on one server" instead of "that community on every server".
Result, you can't just go to /c/books on your server and expect to see every /c/books on every server.
Even worse, if you post on /c/books on your server, it will not be seen by most Lenny users, by design.
Instead, you have to find the biggest /c/books community and go to that server
For me, this kills all hope and enthusiasm I had for Lemmy. This turns Lemmy into "Reddit with extra steps".
If this isn't rectified before the form of Lemmy is finalized, this will kill Lemmy for the same reason Digg and Reddit are dead and dying.
The power to silently choke Lenny is in a few hands and I promise to you they will squeeze when the time is right for them.
This is for the moderator's convenience. For the dev convenience and the server owner convenience.
We all know a fractured community cannot transplant itself without breaking apart. There is power is centralization, communities are centralized.
We need to take the power of moderators and give it to the user's. Moderation must be made communally and democratically.
This means moderation is something that happens in the client. It is something the user subscribe to. That the user can change at will.
You said that as a lemmy.ml user in reply to a user from another instance, and I'm replying to you from yet a third. It doesn't seem to be restricting any of us to our own instance
Is the "problem" you're talking about that any instance may have it's own community by the same name as another instance's? That's not a bug.
That lets anyone say "I don't like that community for this thing I like, I shall set up my own on this other instance"
"I don't like this community, I shall"... Go to an empty space talk to myself and maybe one other guy in 3 years
Look Lemmy communities have the same critical mass effect as Reddit does. For each community, there's going to always end up with one big one, and then a bunch of tiny irrelevant ones.
It will take a reddit-sized screw up just to get maybe 1/3 of any particular critical mass community to try and scatter into the lemmyverse.
In every way that matters, Lemmy is as centralized as Reddit.
Do you hear yourself? You sound like those people who say "blockchain" solves every problem. If you don't like a community then "federation" is not some magical solution to it.
I think he's talking about similar communities from different instances. Like "books" on lemmy.world is separate from "books" on lemmy.ml. So people will end up migrating to the larger one for more users to share with. I feel like it's not a big deal since I can subscribe to all of them while being on a single instance.
I know you agreed with me so don't take it as arguing, but I don't get this logic. If someone made "books" there's nothing stopping people from making "readingbooks" with the exact same rules and content guidelines. The problem doesn't go away.
Yup, I figured they were joking because my username has @sh.itjust.works in it, and yup, local browsing is kinda ass but I mainly browse the equivalent of /r/all (hence my commenting in a lemmy.ml thread)
The vibe can vary pretty drastically from instance to instance, regardless of federation. Ultimately in the bigger communities it doesn't matter at all though
I mean, no one instance is really going to be that viable a competitor on its own, isn't the entire point of fedi platforms that what you get is an amalgamation of all (or at least most, after considering defederation) of them?
Uhhhhhh... Well all of them are charming in their own ways, and reddit had a lot less charm most of the time. In my opinion. Blahaj.zone is terrific! Solarpunk is too!
I mean, both have toxic stupid people, but Reddit does still have way more niche communities and activity. I still rarely go back to Reddit, and mostly chill on lemmy.ca, but it is missing many subreddits I liked.
Unhappy_grapefruit_2's answer: we don't serve your kind round here partner get yo circlejerkin city slickin cock suckin ass diddlin coal breathin soy milk drinkin qourn meat eatin public transport simpin fancy german car enjoyin you sittin in dar corna while based big Tyrone fuckin yo pumpkin spiced wife twerkin ass outta here buster FOOKIN NAFF SAID LAD INNIT SIMPLS AS
Startrek.website seems to be run by the same people who ran r/startrek, some of the most ridiculous, petty, power-tripping stereotypes of neckbeard reddit mods you could find. Not that familiar with the other two, but lemmy.world seems to be run by reasonable people just trying to do their best.
Hardly just my experiences. Zero quality control when it came to content, the sub was often full of reposted random tweets from bit-part actors from the 90's, often not even talking about ST, or trashy shit like playing fuck/marry/kill with the cast of DS9, but at a certain point it got turned into unpaid PR for CBS/Paramount, where you couldn't make even light-hearted jokes about any currently broadcast show. Everything and anything would be struct down with some "be constructive" rule that translated to toxic positivity and users functioning as little more than advertisers for the shows, that sub was basically a test bed for the enshittification of reddit as an advertising platform, and trying to discuss it with the mods just got you a bunch of smarmy smartarsery in return. They're pretty much every 90's stereotype of a ST fan running a chatroom.
If you looked at any of the other ST-related subs, you used to find no shortage of people with similar stories. I'm sure many of them were neckbeards in their own right who just raged against any and all new ST stuff, often with weird political bents, but given I'm not one of them and still got bullshit from them, I'm guessing a fair few of them had valid grievances too.
89 Comments
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 118 pts · 2y
Isn't it obvious?
altima_neo@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 2y
Risa gang, rise up
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 2y
7of9@startrek.website · 10 pts · 2y
This is the logical answer.
DharmaCurious@startrek.website · 68 pts · 2y
There is no "all of the above" option, which is the correct answer.
However, I really enjoy startrek.website
Artyom@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 2y
We've invented a new type of beetlejuicing
blindbunny@lemmy.ml · 63 pts · 2y
I'm just glad all of you are on the fediverse and not some corpo, ad filled, engagement chasing, shit hole
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Gonna guess most are on both
PatFussy@lemm.ee · 60 pts · 2y
WarmSoda@lemm.ee · 10 pts · 2y
RIP redshirts
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Looks like a pretty fun party. Someone should really tell their faces, though.
xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink · 49 pts · 2y
mosiacmango@lemm.ee · 19 pts · 2y
Aint no coffee here, Janeway the destroyer. Get out of here! Get!
xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink · 16 pts · 2y
DmMacniel@feddit.de · 8 pts · 2y
We are doomed!
Johanno@feddit.de · 47 pts · 2y
Natürlich feddit.de, was denn sonst?!
fred@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 2y
Gesundheit
Johanno@feddit.de · 2 pts · 2y
Bless you!
ezures@lemmy.wtf · 8 pts · 2y
Coming across ich iel while browsing, with my basic understanding of german: Weißt du, ich bin ein Wissenshafter mich.
words_number@programming.dev · 47 pts · 2y
Trick question! All of them are better than fucking reddit.
Traister101@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 2y
Who cares? Isn't the point of it being federated that you can join whatever instance and have the same experience (ignoring of course whatever that particular instance is doing for modrration)
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2y
Except one fatal flaw for Lemmy. Communities are centralized on servers and the default view is "one community on one server" instead of "that community on every server".
Result, you can't just go to /c/books on your server and expect to see every /c/books on every server.
Even worse, if you post on /c/books on your server, it will not be seen by most Lenny users, by design.
Instead, you have to find the biggest /c/books community and go to that server
For me, this kills all hope and enthusiasm I had for Lemmy. This turns Lemmy into "Reddit with extra steps".
If this isn't rectified before the form of Lemmy is finalized, this will kill Lemmy for the same reason Digg and Reddit are dead and dying.
The power to silently choke Lenny is in a few hands and I promise to you they will squeeze when the time is right for them.
This is for the moderator's convenience. For the dev convenience and the server owner convenience.
We all know a fractured community cannot transplant itself without breaking apart. There is power is centralization, communities are centralized.
We need to take the power of moderators and give it to the user's. Moderation must be made communally and democratically.
This means moderation is something that happens in the client. It is something the user subscribe to. That the user can change at will.
psud@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 2y
You said that as a lemmy.ml user in reply to a user from another instance, and I'm replying to you from yet a third. It doesn't seem to be restricting any of us to our own instance
Is the "problem" you're talking about that any instance may have it's own community by the same name as another instance's? That's not a bug.
That lets anyone say "I don't like that community for this thing I like, I shall set up my own on this other instance"
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 2y
"I don't like this community, I shall"... Go to an empty space talk to myself and maybe one other guy in 3 years
Look Lemmy communities have the same critical mass effect as Reddit does. For each community, there's going to always end up with one big one, and then a bunch of tiny irrelevant ones.
It will take a reddit-sized screw up just to get maybe 1/3 of any particular critical mass community to try and scatter into the lemmyverse.
In every way that matters, Lemmy is as centralized as Reddit.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 4 pts · 2y
Do you hear yourself? You sound like those people who say "blockchain" solves every problem. If you don't like a community then "federation" is not some magical solution to it.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 2y
You are free to learn the Facebook/Digg/Reddit lesson all over again on lemmy then
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 3 pts · 2y
The hell are you talking about, you are I are from different instances both talking to each other on a third instance lol.
50_centavos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
I think he's talking about similar communities from different instances. Like "books" on lemmy.world is separate from "books" on lemmy.ml. So people will end up migrating to the larger one for more users to share with. I feel like it's not a big deal since I can subscribe to all of them while being on a single instance.
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 2y
I know you agreed with me so don't take it as arguing, but I don't get this logic. If someone made "books" there's nothing stopping people from making "readingbooks" with the exact same rules and content guidelines. The problem doesn't go away.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2y
I miss usenet.
aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 2y
Answer is e: lemmy.dbzer0.com
jelloeater85@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
So much love for db0 💯❤️
adamantris@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2y
preach, its great over here
ErKaf@feddit.de · 21 pts · 2y
feddit.de obviously. Why? Pff. No reason.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Important question: Is feddit.de a Lidl or Aldi instance?
ErKaf@feddit.de · 2 pts · 2y
Rewe
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 2y
Do y'all actually care what instance you're on? The only thing keeping me on SJW is that it would take a whole minute to make an account elsewhere
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2y
Social Justice Warrior?
7of9@startrek.website · 3 pts · 2y
I believe they were referring to sh.itjust.works, an instance with an unfortunate quantity of low quality memes.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2y
Yup, I figured they were joking because my username has @sh.itjust.works in it, and yup, local browsing is kinda ass but I mainly browse the equivalent of /r/all (hence my commenting in a lemmy.ml thread)
7of9@startrek.website · 2 pts · 2y
That would be logical. On Liftoff I cannot see most domains, or long usernames.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
yeah I thought all the instances swim in the same soup. I see all instances in my feed.
Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 2y
The vibe can vary pretty drastically from instance to instance, regardless of federation. Ultimately in the bigger communities it doesn't matter at all though
geizeskrank@feddit.de · 20 pts · 2y
Was'n hier los??
Billiges Karma abgreifen bei den Angelsachsen?
EherVielleicht@feddit.de · 11 pts · 2y
Was soll ich sagen, ich bin ein Punkter, da es hier keine Striche gibt.
gustulus@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 2y
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de · 19 pts · 2y
uis@lemm.ee · 13 pts · 2y
lemmy.ml and lemmy.dbzer0.com
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 2y
I think it's easier to list those banning it than those allowing it
victron@programming.dev · 16 pts · 2y
Kbin? Lmao
Edit: I know Kbin is nice, I had an account. But it not having proper apps back then, during the reddit exodus, took its toll.
deus@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2y
What do you mean? Kbin is nice.
Thteven@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
Kbin is dope dude. Try it out, it's free lol.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social · 14 pts · 2y
I mean, no one instance is really going to be that viable a competitor on its own, isn't the entire point of fedi platforms that what you get is an amalgamation of all (or at least most, after considering defederation) of them?
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 2y
Uhhhhhh... Well all of them are charming in their own ways, and reddit had a lot less charm most of the time. In my opinion. Blahaj.zone is terrific! Solarpunk is too!
Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 2y
I may be biased buttttttt gonna have to agree
uis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Opened. Should be named superposition.zone.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2y
Huh?
Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 2y
C - final answer
EherVielleicht@feddit.de · 14 pts · 2y
brezelradar@feddit.de · 6 pts · 2y
risa FTW
janAkali@lemmy.one · 12 pts · 2y
YES!
grant@toast.ooo · 11 pts · 2y
Obviously toast.ooo — no reason
uis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
Gonna roast that toast
eatham@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 2y
No reason whatsoever
son_named_bort@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2y
Can I phone a friend?
EherVielleicht@feddit.de · 3 pts · 2y
Sure thing.
And then EherVielleicht sat down starring at his phone....
wick@lemm.ee · 10 pts · 2y
Lemmy.world is worse than Reddit
zeze@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 2y
kariboka@bolha.forum · 0 pts · 2y
Lemmy.world IS reddit
zeze@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 2y
Tavarin@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2y
Yeah, I switched instances pretty quickly.
zeze@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 2y
Tavarin@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2y
I mean, both have toxic stupid people, but Reddit does still have way more niche communities and activity. I still rarely go back to Reddit, and mostly chill on lemmy.ca, but it is missing many subreddits I liked.
Lanky_Pomegranate530@midwest.social · 1 pts · 2y
I agree with you man. The people there are just way stupider. I ended up switching instances because of that.
Th4tGuyII@kbin.social · 6 pts · 2y
My answer: ...
spudwart@spudwart.com · 6 pts · 2y
Alternatively, selfhost.
rockrelishpiealamode@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 2y
i got banned from my usual instance a few weeks ago and i resolved to self host.
i've been procrastinating on it since
spudwart@spudwart.com · 3 pts · 2y
Its a difficult trial of patience and knowledge seeking to get it set up.
rockrelishpiealamode@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 2y
Yeah and i wanted to use it to expand my kubernetes skills which i imagine is going to be... unpleasant
spudwart@spudwart.com · 3 pts · 2y
I'm using Docker.
AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
OP has used Ask the Audience lifeline, which has been anecdotally quite accurate.
Going by the comments, this is one of those instances where the audience is unable to arrive on a consensus. :D
DmMacniel@feddit.de · 6 pts · 2y
I choose not to choose. Because why would you when you have heroin?
twopi@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 2y
htttps://lemmy.ca
lugal@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 2y
Both
thomcat@midwest.social · 4 pts · 2y
Somewhereunknown7351@kbin.social · 4 pts · 2y
/Kbin is the best
Fridgeratr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
All of the above!
ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
What is better than reddit?
The correct answer: Reddit
Unhappy_grapefruit_2's answer: we don't serve your kind round here partner get yo circlejerkin city slickin cock suckin ass diddlin coal breathin soy milk drinkin qourn meat eatin public transport simpin fancy german car enjoyin you sittin in dar corna while based big Tyrone fuckin yo pumpkin spiced wife twerkin ass outta here buster FOOKIN NAFF SAID LAD INNIT SIMPLS AS
November_the_Ninth@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Self-Host > Spacebattles > Lemmy.World
dullbananas@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2y
My future wife
DmMacniel@feddit.de · 3 pts · 2y
Delete the Wife.
clark@midwest.social · 1 pts · 2y
I also choose this guy’s future wife.
Icaria@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Startrek.website seems to be run by the same people who ran r/startrek, some of the most ridiculous, petty, power-tripping stereotypes of neckbeard reddit mods you could find. Not that familiar with the other two, but lemmy.world seems to be run by reasonable people just trying to do their best.
Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
Icaria@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
Hardly just my experiences. Zero quality control when it came to content, the sub was often full of reposted random tweets from bit-part actors from the 90's, often not even talking about ST, or trashy shit like playing fuck/marry/kill with the cast of DS9, but at a certain point it got turned into unpaid PR for CBS/Paramount, where you couldn't make even light-hearted jokes about any currently broadcast show. Everything and anything would be struct down with some "be constructive" rule that translated to toxic positivity and users functioning as little more than advertisers for the shows, that sub was basically a test bed for the enshittification of reddit as an advertising platform, and trying to discuss it with the mods just got you a bunch of smarmy smartarsery in return. They're pretty much every 90's stereotype of a ST fan running a chatroom.
If you looked at any of the other ST-related subs, you used to find no shortage of people with similar stories. I'm sure many of them were neckbeards in their own right who just raged against any and all new ST stuff, often with weird political bents, but given I'm not one of them and still got bullshit from them, I'm guessing a fair few of them had valid grievances too.
pinkwerdo@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 2y
E: None of the above