However, as far as I understand,
neither the claim that the universe is eternal nor the reason why it would be eternal
has ever been scientifically proven.
That is why this question has traditionally belonged to the domains of philosophy and religion.
What Watanabe’s series of papers attempts to do
is to provide a scientific demonstration of that very domain.
According to this framework,
the universe begins from the co-creative process of Absolute Subjectivity,
and reality is generated through the projection of Absolute Subjectivity onto Relative Subjectivity.
That Absolute Subjectivity, depending on the person,
might be referred to as the Creator or as God.
So, do you think that the self is a collection of consciousness?
From the standpoint of the paper, we do not consider the self to be a collection of consciousness.
Furthermore, we do not equate the self with the observing subject.
The observing subject is Absolute Subjectivity, which is neither something that appears as content within consciousness nor something that can be defined as a personal self belonging to an individual.
What is commonly referred to as the ‘self’ is merely a construct that appears within consciousness.
Absolute Subjectivity, on the other hand, is the foundational source of observation itself. Some may refer to it as the Creator or as God.
I think that perspective makes a lot of sense. Especially the idea that “sound exists independently of observation” is pretty strong within a classical physics framework.
What’s interesting about this paper, though, is that it actually redefines the position of the observer itself.
Instead of treating the observer as simply the one who measures—or as a device—it redefines the observer as a structure that makes the phenomenon of observation possible in the first place.
So even the question, “If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?” gets reframed.
It’s no longer about who is observing, but about under what structure reality itself becomes established.
This also connects to the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics. In this framework,
observation isn’t just about “reading out a result”—it’s the process by which possibilities become actualized as reality.
That’s why experimental results where interference changes continuously don’t have to be interpreted as “strength of observation.”
Instead, they can be understood as how fully the conditions for an observational structure are satisfied.
Even Schrödinger’s cat shifts meaning here.
It’s less about “what’s inside the box” and more about at what point we consider reality to be fixed.
That’s a pretty big departure from the conventional idea of “observation = measurement.”
By the way, this is exactly what that paper is getting at—
it redefines the observer not as a measuring agent, but as a structure.
Even things like interference and detection strength are treated in terms of conditions for that structure, rather than degrees of measurement.
Great question—this is exactly the issue the paper addresses.
In standard quantum theory, “observer” is not formally defined, which is why it’s unclear whether measurement happens at interaction, detection, or perception.
In this framework, measurement is not tied to consciousness or a single event.
It occurs only when a coherence condition (SIC) is satisfied, fixing one outcome.
So the question is not who observes, but when coherence becomes sufficient to determine reality.
I just find the ideas interesting and want to share them more widely to hear what different people think.
I’m not an expert, so I might not fully understand the paper myself,
but places like here and Lemmy have a lot of people who are knowledgeable about quantum physics and philosophy.
Discussing it helps me deepen my own understanding.
This definition accurately reflects the conventional observer model in physics; however, from the perspective of the paper, it is insufficient.
In this statement, the observer is defined as “a separate particle that interacts with the system and gains some information about the system.” However, this description treats observation as an already established physical process and does not include the generative conditions under which such an interaction becomes an observation.
Within the framework of the paper, observation is not merely interaction. Rather, it is described as a process consisting of the projection of Absolute Subjectivity onto Relative Subjectivity (SI), followed by the establishment of geometric coherence through which reality becomes fixed (SIC).
Therefore, defining the observer as a particle external to the system and equating interaction with observation leaves the very conditions for the emergence of observation outside the theory.
This is the fundamental reason why conventional definitions of the observer fail to resolve the observer problem.
You're arguing against a much weaker claim than the one actually being made.
The point is not that “a brain and a quantum computer are in the same universe, so of course some correlation may exist.” That would be trivial. The actual question is whether independently constructed neural and quantum observables show selective, condition-dependent structural agreement rather than a uniform background similarity or a spurious correlation.
And “correlation of what?” is a fair question — but it is also a question the work addresses. The analysis is not just “brain vs. quantum computer” in a vague sense. It compares EEG-derived neural structure with independently generated quantum measurement structure. The issue is whether the agreement appears non-uniformly, under specific structural conditions, and whether it survives the obvious “this is just a loose correlation” objection.
So invoking gravity, shared physics, or generic nonlocality does not really answer the actual claim. Those are background facts. They do not explain selective structural alignment if that alignment is conditional rather than global.
Also, calling it “garbage” without engaging the actual analysis is not a scientific objection. It is just dismissal.
If you want the technical version rather than the video summary, here is the latest paper. It deals much more directly with the spurious-correlation objection, the structure being compared, and why the claim is not reducible to “everything is in the same universe”:
If you read that and still think the structure collapses into an ordinary spurious-correlation problem, I’d be interested in a specific methodological criticism.
Thank you for taking the time to read it so carefully — I really appreciate the detailed critique.
A few of the points you raise are important, especially regarding experimental clarity and variable definition. The framework here is admittedly unconventional, because it is not starting from a predefined causal model but from a structural alignment condition between independently measured systems.
For example, the Ricci curvature and phase-based metrics are not used as generic statistics, but as structural descriptors to detect when alignment conditions emerge. The key claim is not that “correlation exists,” but that correlation appears conditionally under specific structural states, which is why standard noise-based explanations don’t fully account for the observed selectivity.
Regarding experimental design transparency — that’s a fair concern. The intent of the paper is less to present a finalized measurement protocol and more to demonstrate a reproducible phenomenon that current frameworks cannot easily place. That said, I agree this part needs to be clearer and more rigorously formalized.
If you’re open to it, I’d be very interested in which specific parts you find most problematic (e.g., the EEG preprocessing, the quantum measurement mapping, or the coherence condition itself). That would help sharpen the next iteration.
I understand that concern—I’ve received similar comments about the lack of peer review.
However, I believe peer review is meaningful only when there are experts who are capable of evaluating the work in detail. In this case, the theory is quite new, and there are currently no researchers working within the same framework who could properly review it.
It’s true that the main empirical basis is the nonlocal EEG–quantum experiment. But according to the papers, what is observed goes beyond just finding “some correlation” in data—the correlations appear under specific structural conditions, which is what led to the development of the theory.
Also, instead of relying on peer review at this stage, the experimental methods and procedures are fully disclosed in detail. The author explicitly states that anyone can attempt to replicate the experiment.
So if there is skepticism, the idea is: rather than just debating it conceptually, it can actually be tested directly.
I understand that concern—I’ve received similar comments about the lack of peer review.
However, I believe peer review is meaningful only when there are experts who are capable of evaluating the work in detail. In this case, the theory is quite new, and there are currently no researchers working within the same framework who could properly review it.
It’s true that the main empirical basis is the nonlocal EEG–quantum experiment. But according to the papers, what is observed goes beyond just finding “some correlation” in data—the correlations appear under specific structural conditions, which is what led to the development of the theory.
Also, instead of relying on peer review at this stage, the experimental methods and procedures are fully disclosed in detail. The author explicitly states that anyone can attempt to replicate the experiment.
So if there is skepticism, the idea is: rather than just debating it conceptually, it can actually be tested directly.
I think we may be talking slightly past each other.
What I mean is that interpretations of quantum mechanics remain at the level of describing the distribution of outcomes,
but do not explain why a single outcome is actually realized.
In other words, a statistical theory can tell us what distribution appears,
but not why a specific result becomes fixed in a given event.
This research addresses precisely that point.
Rather than reinterpreting the same statistical structure,
it defines the structural conditions under which outcomes become determined —
that is, the structure of observation itself.
I’ll share a more detailed and up-to-date paper beyond the video.
I would really appreciate your thoughts on it.
@bunchberry@lemmy.world
I see.
However, as far as I understand, neither the claim that the universe is eternal nor the reason why it would be eternal has ever been scientifically proven.
That is why this question has traditionally belonged to the domains of philosophy and religion.
What Watanabe’s series of papers attempts to do is to provide a scientific demonstration of that very domain.
According to this framework, the universe begins from the co-creative process of Absolute Subjectivity, and reality is generated through the projection of Absolute Subjectivity onto Relative Subjectivity.
That Absolute Subjectivity, depending on the person, might be referred to as the Creator or as God.
@bunchberry@lemmy.world
What’s important in your point is this:
“The fact that a definite state does not appear in a probabilistic description does not imply that it does not exist in reality.” I agree with that.
However, your argument assumes a world that is already given and fully established as its starting point, doesn’t it?
Then the question is: under what conditions does that “world itself” come into being?
Probability distributions and Bayesian updates are merely descriptions of states after they have already been established.
But the real issue is: how do those distributions and outcomes come to be in the first place?
Or do you take the position that the world was created by God from the beginning?
I’m not rejecting that idea, of course.
@fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
I’m Japanese, so I’m not very good at English.
I rely on AI for translation, but the ideas themselves are my own.
@youcantreadthis@quokk.au
I think that’s a really sharp perspective — I’ve honestly never met someone who sees it quite like that.
It actually feels very close to the viewpoint developed in a paper I’ve been working with.
There’s a version of this idea that’s been a bit more structurally organized, so if you’re interested, feel free to take a quick look.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/399181220_Experimental_Evidence_of_Absolute_Subjectivity_Projection_Subjectivity_Intersection_Preceding_Quantum_Measurement_in_Hilbert_Phase_Geometry
This is a short video.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1avaxYY6gl-3kcnVhqSRwXY8TY-FLVFun/view?usp=drivesdk
@Iconoclast@feddit.uk
So, do you think that the self is a collection of consciousness?
From the standpoint of the paper, we do not consider the self to be a collection of consciousness.
Furthermore, we do not equate the self with the observing subject.
The observing subject is Absolute Subjectivity, which is neither something that appears as content within consciousness nor something that can be defined as a personal self belonging to an individual.
What is commonly referred to as the ‘self’ is merely a construct that appears within consciousness.
Absolute Subjectivity, on the other hand, is the foundational source of observation itself. Some may refer to it as the Creator or as God.
@fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world
I think that perspective makes a lot of sense. Especially the idea that “sound exists independently of observation” is pretty strong within a classical physics framework.
What’s interesting about this paper, though, is that it actually redefines the position of the observer itself. Instead of treating the observer as simply the one who measures—or as a device—it redefines the observer as a structure that makes the phenomenon of observation possible in the first place.
So even the question, “If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?” gets reframed. It’s no longer about who is observing, but about under what structure reality itself becomes established.
This also connects to the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics. In this framework, observation isn’t just about “reading out a result”—it’s the process by which possibilities become actualized as reality.
That’s why experimental results where interference changes continuously don’t have to be interpreted as “strength of observation.” Instead, they can be understood as how fully the conditions for an observational structure are satisfied.
Even Schrödinger’s cat shifts meaning here. It’s less about “what’s inside the box” and more about at what point we consider reality to be fixed.
That’s a pretty big departure from the conventional idea of “observation = measurement.”
By the way, this is exactly what that paper is getting at— it redefines the observer not as a measuring agent, but as a structure. Even things like interference and detection strength are treated in terms of conditions for that structure, rather than degrees of measurement.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/398259486_Empirical_Subjectivity_Intersection_Observer-Quantum_Coherence_Beyond_Existing_Theories_Unifying_Relativity_Quantum_Mechanics_and_Cosmology
@KissYagni@programming.dev
Great question—this is exactly the issue the paper addresses.
In standard quantum theory, “observer” is not formally defined, which is why it’s unclear whether measurement happens at interaction, detection, or perception.
In this framework, measurement is not tied to consciousness or a single event. It occurs only when a coherence condition (SIC) is satisfied, fixing one outcome.
So the question is not who observes, but when coherence becomes sufficient to determine reality.
@bunchberry@lemmy.world
I think you may be misunderstanding what this theory is actually saying.
It’s not about claims like “human consciousness influences quantum outcomes” or “thinking really hard about a result makes it more likely to happen.”
More fundamentally, subjectivity and consciousness are not the same thing in this framework.
Consciousness may be something that exists within humans — for example, in the brain.
But subjectivity is defined differently: it is not something located within a person, and it is not something that can be measured.
It’s a conceptual structure of a completely different kind.
@bunchberry@lemmy.world
Through discussions like this, I start to see what kind of frameworks people are operating within.
That alone makes it a valuable learning experience for me.
@bunchberry@lemmy.world
I’m really not Satoru Watanabe.
I just find the ideas interesting and want to share them more widely to hear what different people think.
I’m not an expert, so I might not fully understand the paper myself, but places like here and Lemmy have a lot of people who are knowledgeable about quantum physics and philosophy.
Discussing it helps me deepen my own understanding.
You too, actually.
@luthis@lemmy.nz
This definition accurately reflects the conventional observer model in physics; however, from the perspective of the paper, it is insufficient.
In this statement, the observer is defined as “a separate particle that interacts with the system and gains some information about the system.” However, this description treats observation as an already established physical process and does not include the generative conditions under which such an interaction becomes an observation.
Within the framework of the paper, observation is not merely interaction. Rather, it is described as a process consisting of the projection of Absolute Subjectivity onto Relative Subjectivity (SI), followed by the establishment of geometric coherence through which reality becomes fixed (SIC).
Therefore, defining the observer as a particle external to the system and equating interaction with observation leaves the very conditions for the emergence of observation outside the theory.
This is the fundamental reason why conventional definitions of the observer fail to resolve the observer problem.
@bunchberry@lemmy.world
I’m not Satoru Watanabe.
It’s true that my account was suddenly banned, though. I honestly have no idea what part of it was supposed to be ban-worthy.
I mean, sure—if someone is claiming some unverified cure for diseases, that could be dangerous. But this is just presenting a theoretical idea.
Don’t you think it’s kind of absurd to just ban something like that without any notice?
@hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
You're arguing against a much weaker claim than the one actually being made.
The point is not that “a brain and a quantum computer are in the same universe, so of course some correlation may exist.” That would be trivial. The actual question is whether independently constructed neural and quantum observables show selective, condition-dependent structural agreement rather than a uniform background similarity or a spurious correlation.
And “correlation of what?” is a fair question — but it is also a question the work addresses. The analysis is not just “brain vs. quantum computer” in a vague sense. It compares EEG-derived neural structure with independently generated quantum measurement structure. The issue is whether the agreement appears non-uniformly, under specific structural conditions, and whether it survives the obvious “this is just a loose correlation” objection.
So invoking gravity, shared physics, or generic nonlocality does not really answer the actual claim. Those are background facts. They do not explain selective structural alignment if that alignment is conditional rather than global.
Also, calling it “garbage” without engaging the actual analysis is not a scientific objection. It is just dismissal.
If you want the technical version rather than the video summary, here is the latest paper. It deals much more directly with the spurious-correlation objection, the structure being compared, and why the claim is not reducible to “everything is in the same universe”:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/403024962
If you read that and still think the structure collapses into an ordinary spurious-correlation problem, I’d be interested in a specific methodological criticism.
@alzymologist@sopuli.xyz
Thank you for taking the time to read it so carefully — I really appreciate the detailed critique.
A few of the points you raise are important, especially regarding experimental clarity and variable definition. The framework here is admittedly unconventional, because it is not starting from a predefined causal model but from a structural alignment condition between independently measured systems.
For example, the Ricci curvature and phase-based metrics are not used as generic statistics, but as structural descriptors to detect when alignment conditions emerge. The key claim is not that “correlation exists,” but that correlation appears conditionally under specific structural states, which is why standard noise-based explanations don’t fully account for the observed selectivity.
Regarding experimental design transparency — that’s a fair concern. The intent of the paper is less to present a finalized measurement protocol and more to demonstrate a reproducible phenomenon that current frameworks cannot easily place. That said, I agree this part needs to be clearer and more rigorously formalized.
If you’re open to it, I’d be very interested in which specific parts you find most problematic (e.g., the EEG preprocessing, the quantum measurement mapping, or the coherence condition itself). That would help sharpen the next iteration.
@aldhissla@piefed.world
I understand that concern—I’ve received similar comments about the lack of peer review.
However, I believe peer review is meaningful only when there are experts who are capable of evaluating the work in detail. In this case, the theory is quite new, and there are currently no researchers working within the same framework who could properly review it.
It’s true that the main empirical basis is the nonlocal EEG–quantum experiment. But according to the papers, what is observed goes beyond just finding “some correlation” in data—the correlations appear under specific structural conditions, which is what led to the development of the theory.
Also, instead of relying on peer review at this stage, the experimental methods and procedures are fully disclosed in detail. The author explicitly states that anyone can attempt to replicate the experiment.
So if there is skepticism, the idea is: rather than just debating it conceptually, it can actually be tested directly.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/396890295_Reproducible_EEG-Quantum_Nonlocal_Correlation_Experiments_Step-by-Step_Guide_and_Implementation_Overview
@blackbrook@mander.xyz
I understand that concern—I’ve received similar comments about the lack of peer review.
However, I believe peer review is meaningful only when there are experts who are capable of evaluating the work in detail. In this case, the theory is quite new, and there are currently no researchers working within the same framework who could properly review it.
It’s true that the main empirical basis is the nonlocal EEG–quantum experiment. But according to the papers, what is observed goes beyond just finding “some correlation” in data—the correlations appear under specific structural conditions, which is what led to the development of the theory.
Also, instead of relying on peer review at this stage, the experimental methods and procedures are fully disclosed in detail. The author explicitly states that anyone can attempt to replicate the experiment.
So if there is skepticism, the idea is: rather than just debating it conceptually, it can actually be tested directly.
@bunchberry@lemmy.world
I think we may be talking slightly past each other.
What I mean is that interpretations of quantum mechanics remain at the level of describing the distribution of outcomes, but do not explain why a single outcome is actually realized.
In other words, a statistical theory can tell us what distribution appears, but not why a specific result becomes fixed in a given event.
This research addresses precisely that point.
Rather than reinterpreting the same statistical structure, it defines the structural conditions under which outcomes become determined — that is, the structure of observation itself.
I’ll share a more detailed and up-to-date paper beyond the video. I would really appreciate your thoughts on it.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/403024962
@hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
That’s a fair point. Thanks.
@hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
I’m asking because I want to hear perspectives from different people.