I removed all my muted communities, users and instances. I moved them to Blocked communities on my Lemmy account directly and the problem still persists.
This exact issue is happening to me. On every category, even Local. The first page loads instantly, the second and other pages timeout.
I am on lemmy.world with Boost. I have lots of muted communities and some things blocked but not much.
It has been happening for weeks on my side, it never worked since I have this issue (so it is not intermittent) and even as a Guest (lemmy.world) the problem occurs.
Feel free to ask questions. I would be glad to help 😇
You are right. Now, should we then condone any kind because we condone one? It might be hypocritical to condone one and not the other. But I prefer to chose my fights instead of going for none.
TTS has existed for decades, machine learning for less than 20 years, genAI as we know it for less than 5.
Those 3 things are not the same thing. Yes the genAI they used can be included as a TTS because it is one. But only in function.
You are playing on words here. Most people know TTS as a crappy old thing, here this is something way more advanced.
Even if it was the same thing to begin with. I wouldn't be like a company using a simple TTS capable of recreating the voice of a voice actor I like without paying them the same as if the company hired them.
The quality of it is not perfect to me. And you should really watch the video. There are blatant problems in the clips the author shows.
Finally, if you cannot afford something in the first place because of budget issues, I would prefer not including it than including it by using a controversial technology.
PS: And maybe after the facts hire voice actors to enhance your game with all the voice lines you can now pay for. I hate this "break first, say sorry after" mindset tbh
First I am not talking about any deceipt. Though I think it wasn't clear enough IMHO, but they didn't have to put it upfront. Thus why I am advocating in some sort of label or something idk.
Second I didn't talk about voice chat but voice lines. Specifically named character voice line. Which isn't the same thing.
The first is for player accessibility, the second is just something you could make with professional voice actors. No need for genAI.
Secondly I mark the difference between the accessibility feature of voice changer and the voice lines that could have been 100% recorded by a professional voice actor to begin with.
Because in the second case, this is just cost-cutting in order to maximise profit on the back of voice actors imho.
Marketing this as “text-to-speech” is oversimplyfying at best, dishonest at worst. People need to work, we can’t blame the voice actors. But in the end they still are working against themselves/their peers by allowing corporations/studios to copy their unique features to prevent working with them in the future.
Marketing this as "text-to-speech" is oversimplyfying at best, dishonest at worst imho.
People need to work, we can't blame the voice actors. But in the end they still are working against themselves/their peers.
I don't know the details. And I agree that if every line generated with their voice is paid (at least partially) I don't see as big of a problem as I stated.
But call me cynical: I don't think they were paid for generated voice lines. I would gladly be corrected on this matter though.
"The tractor isn't made off of other people living wage" is what I was starting to answer but... it does a bit, so you are right in a sense. Previously, people where hired to plow the field I guess. And I don't see this as big of a problem as genAI. But this subject touches more on mass production and capitalism.
I would like to intentionally bend your analogy by stating that it's not inherently true: if anybody could access a technology that helps them by magically destroying lives in another country far away, would you say the same thing? "It would be silly to ignore it as it makes things easier for me" seems quite short-sighted to me.
I talked about the usage of Machine Learning for the ARCs behavior in the original post. I'm cool with that. But I don't call this genAI. The machine learning technology is fine, the pillaging of resources to create what they call "genAI" is not fine to me.
Now I do agree that, at least for me, if the voice actors are paid for each line generated: there is no problem. I'm willing to hear that in this case it is only for the quicker pipeline. But maybe I am the cynical one: I'm convinced that it is not the case, the actors were paid for the recording sessions, not the subsequent generated lines. I would be delighted to hear otherwise from a good source.
I agree that the fondamental problem is how AI is destroying business and ultimately people.
Sorry if I sounded angry or something.
My goal is to debate around this subject I feel passionate about. I'm not really sure I would call all of this "being upfront" but that may be another subject.
I'm not an English native, so my words could be harsher that it should. Sorry again.
And thank you for answering and participating about the whole thing. No hard feelings I hope!
With a company this big, couldn't they have put the means into it to hire humans instead of using genAI?
I understand why they did it. I don't condone it.
I understand that this would be costly. But imho this isn't a good reason. There is imo only two ethic ways to solve this kind of problem:
Understand that the goal is too hard to handle. Abandon the voice acting on the ping system.
Put the means, even if this is costly*
*: As I said, Embark is a big company, they made millions of dollars. They can afford it. It is absurd to me to allow such a big structure to "cut costs" by removing the human factors.
Problem came back but very late, like 7th or 8th page maybe.
I reste the whole app. Problem is now gone.
I removed all my muted communities, users and instances. I moved them to Blocked communities on my Lemmy account directly and the problem still persists.
I'm on a Pixel 7. It was working fine 2 months ago (gove or take, I'm not sure when the issue started happening).
This exact issue is happening to me. On every category, even Local. The first page loads instantly, the second and other pages timeout.
I am on lemmy.world with Boost. I have lots of muted communities and some things blocked but not much.
It has been happening for weeks on my side, it never worked since I have this issue (so it is not intermittent) and even as a Guest (lemmy.world) the problem occurs.
Feel free to ask questions. I would be glad to help 😇
You are right. Now, should we then condone any kind because we condone one? It might be hypocritical to condone one and not the other. But I prefer to chose my fights instead of going for none.
don't feed the troll they say...
TTS has existed for decades, machine learning for less than 20 years, genAI as we know it for less than 5.
Those 3 things are not the same thing. Yes the genAI they used can be included as a TTS because it is one. But only in function.
You are playing on words here. Most people know TTS as a crappy old thing, here this is something way more advanced.
Even if it was the same thing to begin with. I wouldn't be like a company using a simple TTS capable of recreating the voice of a voice actor I like without paying them the same as if the company hired them.
Not sure about "not aiming for millions".
The quality of it is not perfect to me. And you should really watch the video. There are blatant problems in the clips the author shows.
Finally, if you cannot afford something in the first place because of budget issues, I would prefer not including it than including it by using a controversial technology.
PS: And maybe after the facts hire voice actors to enhance your game with all the voice lines you can now pay for. I hate this "break first, say sorry after" mindset tbh
First I am not talking about any deceipt. Though I think it wasn't clear enough IMHO, but they didn't have to put it upfront. Thus why I am advocating in some sort of label or something idk.
Second I didn't talk about voice chat but voice lines. Specifically named character voice line. Which isn't the same thing.
The first is for player accessibility, the second is just something you could make with professional voice actors. No need for genAI.
Yes, exactly. What's your point?
First, please stay civil. I didn't insult you. Don't insult me.
Secondly I mark the difference between the accessibility feature of voice changer and the voice lines that could have been 100% recorded by a professional voice actor to begin with.
Because in the second case, this is just cost-cutting in order to maximise profit on the back of voice actors imho.
Marketing this as “text-to-speech” is oversimplyfying at best, dishonest at worst. People need to work, we can’t blame the voice actors. But in the end they still are working against themselves/their peers by allowing corporations/studios to copy their unique features to prevent working with them in the future.
Marketing this as "text-to-speech" is oversimplyfying at best, dishonest at worst imho. People need to work, we can't blame the voice actors. But in the end they still are working against themselves/their peers.
I don't know the details. And I agree that if every line generated with their voice is paid (at least partially) I don't see as big of a problem as I stated.
But call me cynical: I don't think they were paid for generated voice lines. I would gladly be corrected on this matter though.
It seems to me you are playing with words. Pilaging all internet resources to create and profit on genAI isn't unethical to you?
Independent artists have found evidence that their work has been scraped to train most of big genAI tools for years now. That's A-OK for you?
To follow your analogy:
"The tractor isn't made off of other people living wage" is what I was starting to answer but... it does a bit, so you are right in a sense. Previously, people where hired to plow the field I guess. And I don't see this as big of a problem as genAI. But this subject touches more on mass production and capitalism.
I would like to intentionally bend your analogy by stating that it's not inherently true: if anybody could access a technology that helps them by magically destroying lives in another country far away, would you say the same thing? "It would be silly to ignore it as it makes things easier for me" seems quite short-sighted to me.
I talked about the usage of Machine Learning for the ARCs behavior in the original post. I'm cool with that. But I don't call this genAI. The machine learning technology is fine, the pillaging of resources to create what they call "genAI" is not fine to me.
Now I do agree that, at least for me, if the voice actors are paid for each line generated: there is no problem. I'm willing to hear that in this case it is only for the quicker pipeline. But maybe I am the cynical one: I'm convinced that it is not the case, the actors were paid for the recording sessions, not the subsequent generated lines. I would be delighted to hear otherwise from a good source.
I agree that the fondamental problem is how AI is destroying business and ultimately people.
Sorry if I sounded angry or something. My goal is to debate around this subject I feel passionate about. I'm not really sure I would call all of this "being upfront" but that may be another subject.
I'm not an English native, so my words could be harsher that it should. Sorry again.
And thank you for answering and participating about the whole thing. No hard feelings I hope!
With a company this big, couldn't they have put the means into it to hire humans instead of using genAI? I understand why they did it. I don't condone it.
I understand that this would be costly. But imho this isn't a good reason. There is imo only two ethic ways to solve this kind of problem:
*: As I said, Embark is a big company, they made millions of dollars. They can afford it. It is absurd to me to allow such a big structure to "cut costs" by removing the human factors.