If in fact they are the owner of all these accounts and are genuinely trolling this post accomplishes little more than giving them the attention they crave. What's to stop them from just making more new accounts and continuing to farm attention?
If they aren't trolling and do not own these alts then we are just banning someone that some people find annoying.
This proposal clearly well intentioned, but I personally feel that this is a double edged sword. The people most bothered by this individual have likely already blocked them personally. If you ban them on an instance level and they make new accounts you may unintentionally re-expose those users to this person they already saw fit to block.
Thanks for taking the time to go into so much detail in your response. While I'm still against defederation I can recognize that you have made a solid argument.
If censoring entire communities you don't agree with is anarchism then I would agree with you that I don't fully understand what it means and perhaps the best course of action would be for me to find an instance that better aligns with my own ideologies.
Thanks again for taking the time, you have given me a few things to think on.
Given your explanation would it not then be wrong to ban or dederate an entire instances based on the actions of a few users. You say "consequences for those who cannot behave" yet the proposed solution is to ban entire communities full of many people who haven't done anything wrong.
This just reinforces what I said in my original post, the offenders should be banned on an individual basis. Sure this means some will slip through but a blanket ban would take away the voice of thousands of people who did nothing wrong. That isn't anarchism.
I don't think I did a very good job explaining my point in my original post.
I know anarchism is by it's nature political, you literally cannot separate the two. My main issue with with the defederation of communities that have political views the admins don't agree with.
Now that isn't to say I'm opposed to defecation all together for example I would be in support of defederating state run instances as that goes against anarchy's core principals.
But as far as I'm aware feddit is not state run, and is simply choosing to comply with German and EU law.
If feddit has a high percentage of Zionists it isn't because they are pro genocide. It is a direct result of other instances and the greater lemmy community banning and defederating places with users that hold these views causing their circle to shrink which consolodates those users into a few remaining instances.
If an individual hates Zionists, driving them all into echo chambers where they are exposed to fewer and fewer dissenting opinions is only going to radicalize them further. It isn't going to get rid of them.
And on the flip side I don't want our political communities to become a complete circlejerk where users pat each other on the back for having the "correct" opinion and passing around imaginary internet points.
Ideally I would like to see this place remain a bastion of free speech so I can continue to see people of varying backgrounds, cultures, and political ideologies having interesting discussions.
If that isn't what dbzer0 is\wants to be then I'm probably in the wrong place. I figured I would voice my opinion and accept the down votes rather than silently watch and eventually quietly leave.
This response seems to ignore the entire second paragraph and the main point of my post. I'm not complaining about the existence of politics. Anarchism is by its nature political.
Anarchists are supposed to be for absolute free speech. While I personally don't support Israel, silencing everyone that does certainly isn't free speech.
Which leads my back to my original point, if an instance claims to be anarchist and by extension believes in free speech then it shouldn't be defederating instances simply because some users on that instance have different politics.
Sure today it's "genocide good vs genocide bad" and it's clear which side has the moral high ground. But it won't always be that clear and censorship is a bad habit for an anarchist community to get in the habit of imo.
At the risk of being banned this instance is starting to get annoying with the amount of political keyboard warrioring posts. I thought this was supposed to be a pro piracy anarchist community.
For self proclaimed anarchists there sure is a lot of desire to censor and dictate what opinions everyone is allowed to see.
For fucks sake if you are that bothered by a handful of users just block those individuals. Not all of us have a panic attack when we see an idiot spouting nonsense we don't agree with.
I tried to like bluesky but I just found the content boring personally. It felt like 75% of the posts being served to me were unfunny liberal memes and the other 25% was people talking about X. I eventually accepted that it just wasn't for me after about a month and ditched it in favor of lemmy.
He makes a pretty good point near the end of the video where he claims that reviews are only a catalyst, and only speed up whatever trajectory the company is already on. Assuming that the reviews are honest and objective I agree with this point 100%.
Ultimately the quality of the product or service on offer steer the ship, the reviews are just the wind.
Wow, thanks for taking the time to type that explanation! Your response was much easier to understand vs what i got trying to google.
It's clear now that a private torrent tracker is more in line with what I originally wanted, but I'll hang around the Usenet community to try and learn more as it seems really cool. I kinda wish i found out about it 20 years ago but it's never too late to learn!
Thanks for the explanation, now it's clicking in my brain why all of the Usenet trackers I hear about are all private... They likely wouldn't be around very long if they were distributing linux iso's from their own servers to the general public.
+1 against defederation
If in fact they are the owner of all these accounts and are genuinely trolling this post accomplishes little more than giving them the attention they crave. What's to stop them from just making more new accounts and continuing to farm attention?
If they aren't trolling and do not own these alts then we are just banning someone that some people find annoying.
This proposal clearly well intentioned, but I personally feel that this is a double edged sword. The people most bothered by this individual have likely already blocked them personally. If you ban them on an instance level and they make new accounts you may unintentionally re-expose those users to this person they already saw fit to block.
Thanks for taking the time to go into so much detail in your response. While I'm still against defederation I can recognize that you have made a solid argument.
If censoring entire communities you don't agree with is anarchism then I would agree with you that I don't fully understand what it means and perhaps the best course of action would be for me to find an instance that better aligns with my own ideologies.
Thanks again for taking the time, you have given me a few things to think on.
Given your explanation would it not then be wrong to ban or dederate an entire instances based on the actions of a few users. You say "consequences for those who cannot behave" yet the proposed solution is to ban entire communities full of many people who haven't done anything wrong.
This just reinforces what I said in my original post, the offenders should be banned on an individual basis. Sure this means some will slip through but a blanket ban would take away the voice of thousands of people who did nothing wrong. That isn't anarchism.
I don't think I did a very good job explaining my point in my original post.
I know anarchism is by it's nature political, you literally cannot separate the two. My main issue with with the defederation of communities that have political views the admins don't agree with.
Now that isn't to say I'm opposed to defecation all together for example I would be in support of defederating state run instances as that goes against anarchy's core principals.
But as far as I'm aware feddit is not state run, and is simply choosing to comply with German and EU law.
If feddit has a high percentage of Zionists it isn't because they are pro genocide. It is a direct result of other instances and the greater lemmy community banning and defederating places with users that hold these views causing their circle to shrink which consolodates those users into a few remaining instances.
If an individual hates Zionists, driving them all into echo chambers where they are exposed to fewer and fewer dissenting opinions is only going to radicalize them further. It isn't going to get rid of them.
And on the flip side I don't want our political communities to become a complete circlejerk where users pat each other on the back for having the "correct" opinion and passing around imaginary internet points.
Ideally I would like to see this place remain a bastion of free speech so I can continue to see people of varying backgrounds, cultures, and political ideologies having interesting discussions.
If that isn't what dbzer0 is\wants to be then I'm probably in the wrong place. I figured I would voice my opinion and accept the down votes rather than silently watch and eventually quietly leave.
This response seems to ignore the entire second paragraph and the main point of my post. I'm not complaining about the existence of politics. Anarchism is by its nature political.
Anarchists are supposed to be for absolute free speech. While I personally don't support Israel, silencing everyone that does certainly isn't free speech.
Which leads my back to my original point, if an instance claims to be anarchist and by extension believes in free speech then it shouldn't be defederating instances simply because some users on that instance have different politics.
Sure today it's "genocide good vs genocide bad" and it's clear which side has the moral high ground. But it won't always be that clear and censorship is a bad habit for an anarchist community to get in the habit of imo.
At the risk of being banned this instance is starting to get annoying with the amount of political keyboard warrioring posts. I thought this was supposed to be a pro piracy anarchist community.
For self proclaimed anarchists there sure is a lot of desire to censor and dictate what opinions everyone is allowed to see.
For fucks sake if you are that bothered by a handful of users just block those individuals. Not all of us have a panic attack when we see an idiot spouting nonsense we don't agree with.
I tried to like bluesky but I just found the content boring personally. It felt like 75% of the posts being served to me were unfunny liberal memes and the other 25% was people talking about X. I eventually accepted that it just wasn't for me after about a month and ditched it in favor of lemmy.
If I wanted censorship I would have stayed on reddit. Open the gates.
Not to rain on the anti windows parade, but he has to install windows to play Tarkov. You cant play it on linux due to anticheat.
Venmo is owned by Paypal.
Don't let Shady Vance go near your couch cushions.
He makes a pretty good point near the end of the video where he claims that reviews are only a catalyst, and only speed up whatever trajectory the company is already on. Assuming that the reviews are honest and objective I agree with this point 100%.
Ultimately the quality of the product or service on offer steer the ship, the reviews are just the wind.
Wow, thanks for taking the time to type that explanation! Your response was much easier to understand vs what i got trying to google.
It's clear now that a private torrent tracker is more in line with what I originally wanted, but I'll hang around the Usenet community to try and learn more as it seems really cool. I kinda wish i found out about it 20 years ago but it's never too late to learn!
Nope you are correct, and I just revealed that im clueless about Usenet in a public forum... To a community of it's users 🤡.
Thanks for the explanation, now it's clicking in my brain why all of the Usenet trackers I hear about are all private... They likely wouldn't be around very long if they were distributing linux iso's from their own servers to the general public.