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I’m not sure what your definition of incrementalism is. A law passing or court ruling on a single issue is not but a reform of a law is?

My point was not defending some ill-defined “incrementalism” but to just say that all issues won’t get addressed at once. Look at the ACA, watered down and not enough but it did get millions of people insurance. It took so much political capital to get it in that form and it still became a beating stick for the Right for decades. It’s a ad campaign against billionaires that’s needed for anything expanding the government.

People don’t want to vote for anyone who can’t move a mountain in less than 4 years, or in this case someone who can’t move a hundred mountains.

I don’t think the current facists in charge are doing it incrementally. You don’t acknowledge any changes or improvements over the last 200 years due to incremental progressivism?

Slavery took a civil war but women’s rights, gay rights, minimum wage, social safety nets (granted not at the level they should be), etc. I’d argue there has been lots of progress. If anything, the last 10 years have shown that getting discouraged by imperfect progress and not voting (even for the lesser evil, who do sometimes surprise us) can lead to very quick backslides. We’ve literally lost rights and baked in harder obstacles to progress by not choosing the lesser evil when that is the only realistic choice. I’m discounting revolution there because again it doesn’t always end how it starts

This would make a better point if the current administration wasn’t dismantling the government, stripping rights, and abducting people in the streets.

People may not want to hear this but not everyone is ready to replace the whole system at once and incremental progress is probably the best way to make gains. Revolutions don’t always end with a government based on the ideals that started them.

on Both Sides SaMe!! · c/politicalmemes · 20 pts · 1y

Ah, the Nirvana fallacy. If he wasn’t perfect then I guess we should let Trump win. Calling Biden a fascist is a pretty gross misunderstanding of history

By most definitions (some require national malitia backing) it’s fascism. Why mince words or pretend the current rhetoric isn’t following the exact same route as previous iterations?

Fascism is fascism, not sure what you are on about. A vote for Trump or Jill is just a vote for genocide here with the rhetoric the right is currently spouting. But I guess fuck trans rights, immigrants, the climate, and the economy because your hill to die on is peace in the Middle East. JFC

You seem pretty ill informed or willfully ignorant if you are saying both sides are the same. Politicians listen to the people who vote or donate to them not to the lunatic fringe. The right wing, and especially the Supreme Court have actively worked to destroy women’s rights, increase the influence of dark money, remove restrictions on executive authority, and funnel public money to religious organizations. Don’t let your anger with the pace of progress blind you to the stakes here.

Tanked choice was passed in Maine and elsewhere. Many blue states are tying electoral votes to the nationwide popular vote to remove that stupid distribution. Primaries are open. Only one party is trying to make voting more accessible.

As for Palestine, if you don’t subscribe to the lesser of two evils then I guess there isn’t much to talk about but don’t let the Nirvana fallacy blind you too much.

In case others need to hear this, please don’t vote third party. Even to start a revolution or whatever. It’s an incredibly privileged position to be able to endanger LGBTQ, immigrants, and women’s rights because you want to send a message. Vote Dem and back ranked choice or you may get the revolution the other way.