I want to make the point that it doesn’t have anything to do with skin color, that is a made up thing by people who don’t like it. Coming to Sweden and getting to stay is not a human right. That applies to everybody no matter where you’re from.
So no, I do not think wanting people to remigrate makes the party far-right.
Would you like to elaborate? There's is nothing wrong with not liking it, but that does not put the party into some far-right category that people seem to be making up.
There is nothing wrong with wanting people to assimilate or get sent back. Integration does not work with certain cultures which we have seen for the last 20 years. If you come to Sweden you are a guest and you should behave like one, right? Then if you do intend to stay you should be supportive of our values and our way of life.
There is also no denying that certain people in office hold plain racist views and we have to work hard on kicking those people out of any institutions we have.
So a difference of opinion in this case is what to do with people who come here that don't contribute to society, don't follow our societal norms, and break our laws. It doesn't have anything to do with race.
What I do agree with is how they have really messed up with some cases in regards to people growing up in Sweden and then getting sent to a country they have never been in, but that is on the people in the government for not doing their job correctly. Remigration does not have to mean going all-in or doing nothing, there is a nice middle ground where you can do things on a case-by-case basis.
Well you should not believe everything you read in articles. Even reputable outlets will be wrong when they write about something outside of their area of expertise. I think most people in here will just read the headline and some comments saying "far-right!" and believe that is true.
Go to the Wikipedia pages for the Örebro Party and read them. I'll link both the Swedish and English pages for you so you can compare them. I'll also link to their own website, it is only in Swedish so you'll have to translate it yourself. But you'll see that nothing is out of the ordinary and the whole thing is blown out of proportions.
Far-right doesn't mean anything these days, it's just something people default to saying when they're not really interested in debating political views(God forbid you have a slightly different view).
It’s just a bunch of dumbasses in here downvoting anything that even mentions AI. It’s been like this in pretty much every single thread.
Haven’t seen a single one of them actually try to have a discussion about the technology and they’re all too stupid to realize this is still in development and will continue to improve. Same with the whole circle jerk about the graphics cards, so what if it currently runs on two 5090 cards? It’s not like that card is the last one we are ever going to get.
I don’t see any hate speech and I tried looking for anyone questioning another groups right to live. Is the group thing connected to Charlie Kirk?
I did see some blog posts from David Heinemeier Hansson that could be seen as controversial, but that’s just it, controversial, people have different opinions on topics.
This whole ”controversy” surrounding Ladybird is such a nothing burger, people are just looking for an excuse to be offended. Is everyone you disagree with either right wing or nazis?
Intressant artikel, den hade jag missat! Det jag inser med mitt påstående om en utomstående instans är att det också blir svårt att kontrollera för vems räkning beslut klubbas igenom eller skjuts ner.
Man vill ju inte ha ett fall där näringslivet har lyckats kuppa sig in och säger att ett dåligt beslut är bra, för att det på kort sikt skulle generera mer intäkter för företag men i längden bli sämre för privatpersoner🤷♂️
Sen så borde jag kanske följa IMY bättre, jag måste erkänna att jag kanske ibland bara gör egna antaganden för att mitt tankesätt är ”regeringen bestämmer vilket uppdrag myndigheten har -> regeringen kan köra över myndigheten och göra som den vill oavsett”
Tycker det är rätt sjukt hur vi i Sverige kan vara hyfsat starka på IT-sidan som så litet land men samtidigt ha politiker som har noll koll på hur något inom IT faktiskt fungerar.
Nästan så att vi skulle behöva en instans utanför våra myndigheter som har sista ordet när det kommer till cybersäkerhet.
I wonder if that will be something that changes the environment kind of like helltide does. I mean helltide is mostly a color change for the zones but something along those lines.
Yeah I absolutely agree with you on the forum part. It feels like they didn't quite think things through when choosing a really open platform like Lemmy. Like you said, what probably suits their use case is just a good old fashioned forum that is not linked to anything else in any way.
I also want to see Lemmy grow and I am curious to see where we end up with this whole federation thing. The whole idea sounds really nice and if we get sites working together this could in the end make it super easy for people to find cool communities. Or maybe sites don't even need to actively work together since just being federated should take care of it!
I myself would not put me in a category of people that would have the feeling of being unsafe. I am a white guy in a western country, doesn't really get any easier than that. Also keep in mind that this is kind of a guess from my side so you should not take this as fact or anything.
My thought when people generally use "safe space" is not that they mean that they are scared when browsing the web. I think they mean it more in a way that every day they might get to hear comments about their looks or preferences when it really is uncalled for, so having a safe space is more about just getting to have an interaction with other people and not having to worry about those kind of comments.
So your comment about infantry school and Ramadi is a different kind of "unsafe" thing. Maybe I would categorize that as a dangerous job. I guess that you are from the United States so Ramadi would even be something that you don't have a connection to, you go there and then come back home where you don't have the same threat levels when just going outside.
For other people that unsafe feeling could come from just going outside even in their home community/city/country.
The way I try to think about it just to take something about your look, like let's say your hair. You like it a certain way and it does not really affect how you are as a person or your skill set when it comes to work or life in general. Then just imagine that you go to get groceries and people start commenting your hair, in a bad way. Maybe even going as far as saying something about your worth when they in fact do not know anything about you. They just made the assumption based on your hairstyle. Then this continues as time goes on, some might even get a bit too in your face about it and you don't really know what they're capable of! Then these are also your countrymen! People you went to the same school with, people from the same state, people that in general might like the same things as you. They cheer for the same sports team, they like the same kind of pizza as you.
But just because of that hairstyle you have they start thinking less of you!
Those are just my two cents! I know I have it pretty easy so I try to see things from other peoples perspective or however you say that, because I know other people have far more challenges than me in everyday life.
I want to make the point that it doesn’t have anything to do with skin color, that is a made up thing by people who don’t like it. Coming to Sweden and getting to stay is not a human right. That applies to everybody no matter where you’re from. So no, I do not think wanting people to remigrate makes the party far-right.
Would you like to elaborate? There's is nothing wrong with not liking it, but that does not put the party into some far-right category that people seem to be making up.
There is nothing wrong with wanting people to assimilate or get sent back. Integration does not work with certain cultures which we have seen for the last 20 years. If you come to Sweden you are a guest and you should behave like one, right? Then if you do intend to stay you should be supportive of our values and our way of life. There is also no denying that certain people in office hold plain racist views and we have to work hard on kicking those people out of any institutions we have.
So a difference of opinion in this case is what to do with people who come here that don't contribute to society, don't follow our societal norms, and break our laws. It doesn't have anything to do with race.
What I do agree with is how they have really messed up with some cases in regards to people growing up in Sweden and then getting sent to a country they have never been in, but that is on the people in the government for not doing their job correctly. Remigration does not have to mean going all-in or doing nothing, there is a nice middle ground where you can do things on a case-by-case basis.
And nobody has said that, you’re just making stuff up. So just because you disagree, are you not going to have an honest discussion?
Well you should not believe everything you read in articles. Even reputable outlets will be wrong when they write about something outside of their area of expertise. I think most people in here will just read the headline and some comments saying "far-right!" and believe that is true. Go to the Wikipedia pages for the Örebro Party and read them. I'll link both the Swedish and English pages for you so you can compare them. I'll also link to their own website, it is only in Swedish so you'll have to translate it yourself. But you'll see that nothing is out of the ordinary and the whole thing is blown out of proportions.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebropartiet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96rebro_Party
https://orebropartiet.se/
Far-right doesn't mean anything these days, it's just something people default to saying when they're not really interested in debating political views(God forbid you have a slightly different view).
Do you people actually know anything about this party or are you just getting your panties in a twist over a nothingburger?
I could say that any party in the Swedish government is controversial, does that mean you are going to boycott everything Swedish now?
It’s just a bunch of dumbasses in here downvoting anything that even mentions AI. It’s been like this in pretty much every single thread.
Haven’t seen a single one of them actually try to have a discussion about the technology and they’re all too stupid to realize this is still in development and will continue to improve. Same with the whole circle jerk about the graphics cards, so what if it currently runs on two 5090 cards? It’s not like that card is the last one we are ever going to get.
I don’t see any hate speech and I tried looking for anyone questioning another groups right to live. Is the group thing connected to Charlie Kirk?
I did see some blog posts from David Heinemeier Hansson that could be seen as controversial, but that’s just it, controversial, people have different opinions on topics.
Looking at those tweets I would say it is way overblown. People act like it’s the end of the world if there is a slight disagreement.
This whole ”controversy” surrounding Ladybird is such a nothing burger, people are just looking for an excuse to be offended. Is everyone you disagree with either right wing or nazis?
Intressant artikel, den hade jag missat! Det jag inser med mitt påstående om en utomstående instans är att det också blir svårt att kontrollera för vems räkning beslut klubbas igenom eller skjuts ner.
Man vill ju inte ha ett fall där näringslivet har lyckats kuppa sig in och säger att ett dåligt beslut är bra, för att det på kort sikt skulle generera mer intäkter för företag men i längden bli sämre för privatpersoner🤷♂️
Sen så borde jag kanske följa IMY bättre, jag måste erkänna att jag kanske ibland bara gör egna antaganden för att mitt tankesätt är ”regeringen bestämmer vilket uppdrag myndigheten har -> regeringen kan köra över myndigheten och göra som den vill oavsett”
Tycker det är rätt sjukt hur vi i Sverige kan vara hyfsat starka på IT-sidan som så litet land men samtidigt ha politiker som har noll koll på hur något inom IT faktiskt fungerar.
Nästan så att vi skulle behöva en instans utanför våra myndigheter som har sista ordet när det kommer till cybersäkerhet.
It will be interesting to see what they show! They tweeted about corruption taking hold; Link to tweet https://twitter.com/Diablo/status/1676757903850582016
I wonder if that will be something that changes the environment kind of like helltide does. I mean helltide is mostly a color change for the zones but something along those lines.
Yeah I absolutely agree with you on the forum part. It feels like they didn't quite think things through when choosing a really open platform like Lemmy. Like you said, what probably suits their use case is just a good old fashioned forum that is not linked to anything else in any way.
I also want to see Lemmy grow and I am curious to see where we end up with this whole federation thing. The whole idea sounds really nice and if we get sites working together this could in the end make it super easy for people to find cool communities. Or maybe sites don't even need to actively work together since just being federated should take care of it!
I'm not sure how to respond to all three of you kind of asking the same question about feeling "unsafe", so I guess I'll just try to tag the other two. @AbruptLucidity@lemmy.world @zacher_glachl@lemmy.world
I myself would not put me in a category of people that would have the feeling of being unsafe. I am a white guy in a western country, doesn't really get any easier than that. Also keep in mind that this is kind of a guess from my side so you should not take this as fact or anything.
My thought when people generally use "safe space" is not that they mean that they are scared when browsing the web. I think they mean it more in a way that every day they might get to hear comments about their looks or preferences when it really is uncalled for, so having a safe space is more about just getting to have an interaction with other people and not having to worry about those kind of comments. So your comment about infantry school and Ramadi is a different kind of "unsafe" thing. Maybe I would categorize that as a dangerous job. I guess that you are from the United States so Ramadi would even be something that you don't have a connection to, you go there and then come back home where you don't have the same threat levels when just going outside. For other people that unsafe feeling could come from just going outside even in their home community/city/country.
The way I try to think about it just to take something about your look, like let's say your hair. You like it a certain way and it does not really affect how you are as a person or your skill set when it comes to work or life in general. Then just imagine that you go to get groceries and people start commenting your hair, in a bad way. Maybe even going as far as saying something about your worth when they in fact do not know anything about you. They just made the assumption based on your hairstyle. Then this continues as time goes on, some might even get a bit too in your face about it and you don't really know what they're capable of! Then these are also your countrymen! People you went to the same school with, people from the same state, people that in general might like the same things as you. They cheer for the same sports team, they like the same kind of pizza as you. But just because of that hairstyle you have they start thinking less of you!
Those are just my two cents! I know I have it pretty easy so I try to see things from other peoples perspective or however you say that, because I know other people have far more challenges than me in everyday life.