I'm in one of the marginalized groups, being gay and married to a first-gen immigrant who also has trans people in my family and neighbors , family, friends who don't speak English and/or are non-Christian (Muslims, atheists).
It's not like everyone here is bad, but the people who elect these bigots know exactly what they stand for, and they support it.
Also, South Dakota has a really problematic history, so it's not like all of this has just come out of left field.
And I know not all religious people are hateful, so I try not to characterize them that way. One of the first people I felt comfortable coming out to was a Muslim woman, and we (my husband and I) literally are friends with some clergy who happen to be some of the most outspoken LGBTQIA+ allies in our community imo.
But anyone who supports Republicans here knows exactly what they're getting, and as I've said in many cases wish people like Noem would go even further to marginalize and oppress these marginalized groups. In fact, I used to try to befriend Republicans, but in every case they ended up disclosing to me some extremely fucked up goals, and I can't legitimize their worldview by having anything to do with them beyond what my work requires.
South Dakota here. I typed out a long reply several times, but I don't know how to explain it.
Our governor is obviously an extremist, fully subscribing to the concept of a "border crisis," anti-LGBTQIA+ policies, being so overtly racist that she's banned from three reservations.
I'm a "redneck" looking cis male, and people will share with me their opinions, thinking I'll agree. These people don't think people like Noem and Trump go far enough. It's actually important to understand that even the "nice church people" types believe this. They support much more extreme policies than what we're seeing.
Edit: I forgot to say this, but this is only responding to the contents of your post. Your link takes me to the kbin login page.
They'll dismiss progressives and leftists as "Russian bots" while continuing to marginalize people and support genocidal regimes.
And then they'll gaslight us into thinking it's our fault for not voting for whatever steaming pile of excrement they put up for election.
Actually, that's not fair. I've never seen a steaming pile of excrement commit genocide or imprison immigrants, so we'd actually be better off with a literal steaming pile of shit in the White House.
We've failed him, we've failed the Palestinians, we've failed our immigrants and refugees, we've failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we've failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another.
And I say "America" even though this is world news, because he was American.
It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect.
Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out.
And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable.
It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There's no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I've got nothing but respect.
What is your pragmatic alternative? What strategy is 1. Actionable and 2. Effective 3. Incompatible with the process I outlined above? Widespread change will be a function of multi-modal effort, there's no reason not to commit to higher turnout while simultaneously pushing for change in other ways. Defeatist outlooks are what the opposition wants, don't reward them
So in other words, doing exactly what I've been suggesting this entire time? Or what do you think that I've been saying? I vote in every election, and I'm still not allowed to complain when my president commits genocide? Is that what you're saying, or what exactly is your point?? What is it you're trying to convince me of that I'm not already doing?
If we can't fix this by 100% voter turnout, then our ideals aren't popular, and democracy has spoken.
And there are supposed to be failsafes to prevent tyranny of the majority. Did you forget that? Was slavery ok in the antebellum south because the majority supported it? No. You can't just trample on human lives simply because a majority support it.
Anarchism has failsafes for this since hierarchical structures are by definition not welcome. Our system does not? Then let's burn it to the ground.
I know the answer btw. I'm speaking rhetorically. It's obvious that our system results in genocide. I mean, we have an active genocide against indigenous people.
Do you support trampling on human rights and committing atrocities like genocide simply because the majority support it? Please answer this, because if you think this is fine, then I'm done trying to get through to you.
Edit: And before you say "of course that's not what I'm saying," I've had a centrist liberal tell me recently that yes, these atrocities are fine as long as the majority support them, and that was told to me by PugJesus, right-winger and mod on lemmy.world
People have straight up gloated to me that something like 70% of voters support our fascist border policy and arming a genocidal state. What makes you so sure we can fix this by voting?
Also, I don't buy the idea that right-wing liberals would listen to leftists if we vote. I vote in every election, but they still treat me like absolute trash. They love that people are suffering and that they can gloat that there's no effective way to save them.
FFS look at the maniacal comments in this thread. And this is actually better than the norm.
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I found some that might fit under the "organizing" category
I'm in one of the marginalized groups, being gay and married to a first-gen immigrant who also has trans people in my family and neighbors , family, friends who don't speak English and/or are non-Christian (Muslims, atheists).
It's not like everyone here is bad, but the people who elect these bigots know exactly what they stand for, and they support it.
Also, South Dakota has a really problematic history, so it's not like all of this has just come out of left field.
And I know not all religious people are hateful, so I try not to characterize them that way. One of the first people I felt comfortable coming out to was a Muslim woman, and we (my husband and I) literally are friends with some clergy who happen to be some of the most outspoken LGBTQIA+ allies in our community imo.
But anyone who supports Republicans here knows exactly what they're getting, and as I've said in many cases wish people like Noem would go even further to marginalize and oppress these marginalized groups. In fact, I used to try to befriend Republicans, but in every case they ended up disclosing to me some extremely fucked up goals, and I can't legitimize their worldview by having anything to do with them beyond what my work requires.
South Dakota here. I typed out a long reply several times, but I don't know how to explain it.
Our governor is obviously an extremist, fully subscribing to the concept of a "border crisis," anti-LGBTQIA+ policies, being so overtly racist that she's banned from three reservations.
I'm a "redneck" looking cis male, and people will share with me their opinions, thinking I'll agree. These people don't think people like Noem and Trump go far enough. It's actually important to understand that even the "nice church people" types believe this. They support much more extreme policies than what we're seeing.
Edit: I forgot to say this, but this is only responding to the contents of your post. Your link takes me to the kbin login page.
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They'll dismiss progressives and leftists as "Russian bots" while continuing to marginalize people and support genocidal regimes.
And then they'll gaslight us into thinking it's our fault for not voting for whatever steaming pile of excrement they put up for election.
Actually, that's not fair. I've never seen a steaming pile of excrement commit genocide or imprison immigrants, so we'd actually be better off with a literal steaming pile of shit in the White House.
For a "lefty memes" community, there are sure a lot of genocide apologists in here
Because I am not going to disrespect a deep and meaningful selfless act like his. I'm not so disrespectful
We've failed him, we've failed the Palestinians, we've failed our immigrants and refugees, we've failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we've failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another.
And I say "America" even though this is world news, because he was American.
It was a protest against our nation's complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect.
Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who's had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I've known multiple people who've committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they've all had valid reasons, and it's really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out.
And in this case, it's objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable.
Aaron Bushnell is a fucking role model
I wish I had half the courage it took
It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There's no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I've got nothing but respect.
I fully agree. I have mad respect for him, which is why I expressed my admiration and support.
I'd like to know why anyone would downvote this. Do you support genocide?
Aaron Bushnell, hero and role model
So in other words, doing exactly what I've been suggesting this entire time? Or what do you think that I've been saying? I vote in every election, and I'm still not allowed to complain when my president commits genocide? Is that what you're saying, or what exactly is your point?? What is it you're trying to convince me of that I'm not already doing?
And there are supposed to be failsafes to prevent tyranny of the majority. Did you forget that? Was slavery ok in the antebellum south because the majority supported it? No. You can't just trample on human lives simply because a majority support it.
Anarchism has failsafes for this since hierarchical structures are by definition not welcome. Our system does not? Then let's burn it to the ground.
I know the answer btw. I'm speaking rhetorically. It's obvious that our system results in genocide. I mean, we have an active genocide against indigenous people.
Do you support trampling on human rights and committing atrocities like genocide simply because the majority support it? Please answer this, because if you think this is fine, then I'm done trying to get through to you.
Edit: And before you say "of course that's not what I'm saying," I've had a centrist liberal tell me recently that yes, these atrocities are fine as long as the majority support them, and that was told to me by PugJesus, right-winger and mod on lemmy.world
People have straight up gloated to me that something like 70% of voters support our fascist border policy and arming a genocidal state. What makes you so sure we can fix this by voting?
Also, I don't buy the idea that right-wing liberals would listen to leftists if we vote. I vote in every election, but they still treat me like absolute trash. They love that people are suffering and that they can gloat that there's no effective way to save them.
FFS look at the maniacal comments in this thread. And this is actually better than the norm.