@joe if it's a tool for doctors to use then it will simply increase the costs of providing care even if there is an increase in the quality of that care. That means adoption of that particular type of "AI" will be limited. If it's possible to replace doctors with a chatbot, that will decrease costs even if the quality of care also decreases.
Which one do you think is more likely to be widely used in a profit-driven, anti-human system?
@Nouvellalia aw look at you, complaining about being bullied by gamgam. That's adorable.
>It should be open source and given back to the people.”
What should be open source? Machine learning to detect cancer? Absolutely. Generative CSAM? How about no? By failing to distinguish between the different things lumped under the marketing lie that's is "AI," you promote and defend Grok, ChatGPT, Claude, etc.
Re: tagging people: that's my handle. I'm accessing Lemmy via my Mastodon account, the software does that automatically.
"Rancid oligarchs and zombie corpos should not be allowed to pillage from our air, water, and soil. Attacking ai specifically for this solves nothing."
And what does defending and promoting "AI" (which is a marketing lie since there is no intelligence involved) do to prevent oligarchs and corpos from pillaging our natural resources?
@Nouvellalia@7101334 funny how really the only argument AI boosters can make with regards to its environmental impact is "what about all the other stuff that is worse". What about it? What about that? Look over there! Yes I've been concerned about all those things, for many years, because I've been concerned about climate change, for many years. You haven't?
@majster The difference here is between someone who wants to enact violence against others by forcefully expelling them from their homes vs someone who wants to enact violence against others by denying them a safe haven after they have been forcefully expelled from their homes. To me, this falls under the category of "differences between nazis/fascists/xenophobic nationalists which only a nazi/fascist/xenophobic nationalist would care about". @wetling
@wetling where I live (the USA), both fascism and nazism are lawful. Xenophobic nationalism is always violent and usually lawful. As you point out, all three have horrible consequences. So the distinctions @majster was trying to draw seem incoherent to me.
@Plebcouncilman@yuknowhokat orrrr, leftists realize that automation doesn't guarantee anything in terms of political arrangements and, having analyzed the structure and ideology of current LLM ownership, recognize that the dangers of expanding water consumption and GHG emissions are certain, the capacity for disinformation is immense, and the theoretical benefits are decades off, if they ever happen at all.
@yianiris@friendica.world @histodons@a.gup.pe oh wow didn't know about this one. I read Manning Marable's biography of Malcom X and it was excellent, so this is definitely going on the list. If I had to guess, I'd say that Marable was making a deliberate tribute to Rodney. But that's speculation, I don't know.
@Chip_Unicorn@bookstodon I am gonna boost this with the caveat that although Ferret Steinmetz is a good writer, he has a bad reputation for overt sexism and harassment. It's a damn shame. I really enjoyed 'The Sol Majestic.'
@joe they are not separable. Just like concerns about fair compensation for visual artists and writers are inseparable from "AI".
Noted: my question remains unanswered.
@joe if it's a tool for doctors to use then it will simply increase the costs of providing care even if there is an increase in the quality of that care. That means adoption of that particular type of "AI" will be limited. If it's possible to replace doctors with a chatbot, that will decrease costs even if the quality of care also decreases.
Which one do you think is more likely to be widely used in a profit-driven, anti-human system?
@mobyduck648
@Nouvellalia aw look at you, complaining about being bullied by gamgam. That's adorable.
>It should be open source and given back to the people.”
What should be open source? Machine learning to detect cancer? Absolutely. Generative CSAM? How about no? By failing to distinguish between the different things lumped under the marketing lie that's is "AI," you promote and defend Grok, ChatGPT, Claude, etc.
Re: tagging people: that's my handle. I'm accessing Lemmy via my Mastodon account, the software does that automatically.
@Nouvellalia
"Rancid oligarchs and zombie corpos should not be allowed to pillage from our air, water, and soil. Attacking ai specifically for this solves nothing."
And what does defending and promoting "AI" (which is a marketing lie since there is no intelligence involved) do to prevent oligarchs and corpos from pillaging our natural resources?
@Nouvellalia @7101334 funny how really the only argument AI boosters can make with regards to its environmental impact is "what about all the other stuff that is worse". What about it? What about that? Look over there! Yes I've been concerned about all those things, for many years, because I've been concerned about climate change, for many years. You haven't?
@Nouvellalia @7101334
> Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI.
Inherently? It's just a matter of time.
@garbage_world @lobut username checks out
@CheeseNoodle @MangoCats so like 20 watts of power? Yes that seems fair
@Doomsider @stickyprimer people are going to make AI into a religion regardless. We did it with books when they were first invented.
@tomiant @punkwalrus Applied to interactions between strangers, "Hanlon's Razor" is a recipe for getting scammed.
@majster The difference here is between someone who wants to enact violence against others by forcefully expelling them from their homes vs someone who wants to enact violence against others by denying them a safe haven after they have been forcefully expelled from their homes. To me, this falls under the category of "differences between nazis/fascists/xenophobic nationalists which only a nazi/fascist/xenophobic nationalist would care about". @wetling
@wetling where I live (the USA), both fascism and nazism are lawful. Xenophobic nationalism is always violent and usually lawful. As you point out, all three have horrible consequences. So the distinctions @majster was trying to draw seem incoherent to me.
@majster @pegazz What's the difference? And why should anyone who isn't a fascist, a nazi, or a xenophobic nationalist care?
@Plebcouncilman @yuknowhokat orrrr, leftists realize that automation doesn't guarantee anything in terms of political arrangements and, having analyzed the structure and ideology of current LLM ownership, recognize that the dangers of expanding water consumption and GHG emissions are certain, the capacity for disinformation is immense, and the theoretical benefits are decades off, if they ever happen at all.
@markovs_gun @RedditIsDeddit what's lemmy?
@RedditIsDeddit @Olhonestjim If ads were banned, they wouldn't have to.
@yianiris@friendica.world @histodons@a.gup.pe oh wow didn't know about this one. I read Manning Marable's biography of Malcom X and it was excellent, so this is definitely going on the list. If I had to guess, I'd say that Marable was making a deliberate tribute to Rodney. But that's speculation, I don't know.
@froztbyte @31337 lol
@Chip_Unicorn @bookstodon I am gonna boost this with the caveat that although Ferret Steinmetz is a good writer, he has a bad reputation for overt sexism and harassment. It's a damn shame. I really enjoyed 'The Sol Majestic.'