@ceenote@NomNom I agree with you that roadways need to be designed to curb bad driver behaviors. Not only that, we need less drivers and roadways overall.
However, don't fall prey to them labeling this "AI". Categorization has long been within the scope of Machine Learning which is a sub-discipline of AI; it isn't AI in and of itself (https://scienceexchange.caltech.edu/topics/artificial-intelligence-research/artificial-intelligence-vs-machine-learning). Provided the cameras aren't a surveillance net in disguise, a la Flock, and there are real people qualifying the results, I think it could be a net benefit. This reads to me as a system that can tell the difference between someone holding a phone or holding the steering wheel with both hands. There's really nothing ominous about that. It's essentially the same as identifying variations in handwriting and differentiating between an "a" and an "A" as written by different people. But, if the system also logs driver's license plates and locations and stores them in a database then it becomes more problematic without data retention policies, access restrictions, human review, and other governance mechanisms.
There is potential for abuse everywhere, that's why we have rules, regulations, and laws to prevent such behavior. I'm not an AI booster by any means, but I do think there are practical applications for technologies like this. The key is in rolling technology out in a thoughtful and responsible way. We can't make an instantaneous jump to safer roadways, it takes time and this might be something we can do right now to help. This tech (at least as far as this article is concerned) helps illustrate the culture of apathy and entitlement today's drivers exist within.
Calling it AI and saying it's unbiased by the author and company are likely BS. My opinion is that AI is being used as a buzzword to make sales. I would also take this all with a grain of salt. The company should be under intense scrutiny and there is already a lot of precedent where these kinds of systems are being abused by police.
@reabsorbthelight yeah, I mean it's purely academic at this point. I've seen other people saying the same thing online though so I would wager the idea is being kicked around. I think the threat needs to be made first because red states (whether they will admit it or not) are reliant on blue states for those sweet tax dollars. In my mind it would work out pretty similar to the redistricting votes are playing out.
@reabsorbthelight I agree that isn't how it works. It would be a change but I believe that it's not outside the realm of possibility. Donald Trump and Stephen Miller are big fans of finding emergency powers and using novel legal theories. I think it's high time for governors and state legislators to respond in kind.
The money would go to the state instead of the fed, not stay in a business' account. States have a lot of power, especially when in compact. I think it would only take California and New York doing something like this to really have an effect. Other states joining those two would kneecap the fed.
From my perspective as a business owner it's really just a matter of depositing funds into a different account than the treasury.
Will it be easy? No, surely not. There would be a lot of difficulty in communication, legislation, and even with state's ability to collect taxes there would be work needed to set up collection.
I think this is the response needed for what is turning into the taxation without representation of our generation. We can't sit around and say things can't be done.
@reabsorbthelight yes, I believe states will set up escrow and allow businesses to pay into that. States have tax infrastructure already so I think it would be doable.
@technocrit seems to me more and more like states will be taking their taxes and going home. If we can't get our taxes put where we intended them to go then what's the point of letting the federal government have them?
@destructdisc this is pretty close to the reasoning I used to talk myself out of car ownership. The big thing for me was the realization I mostly used the car to go literally nowhere. Most of my driving was just aimless time wasting. I can waste time at home on my couch thank you very much.
@Davriellelouna such specious reasoning! A truly malicious twisting of the facts to seek out retribution against someone doing their civic duty. I wish the judge would have sanctioned her. Clearly the cyclist wasn't determining guilt, they were alerting the police who would be responsible for making that assessment. And to say that performing recording from a public space is an invasion of privacy is patently absurd.
@Davriellelouna it used to be a lot worse. Check out https://denverinfill.com/. Denver has made great strides in bike infrastructure, has light rail, and as I recently discovered the 16th St Mall renovation is nearly complete.
@FinjaminPoach Hot Fuzz "Why do we call an accident a collision?" https://inv.nadeko.net/embed/cohdOBWRFEw
@technocrit https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-auto-dialer-homer-simpson-chase-machine-gif-14571167975747552568
@fireweed where's the operator supposed to put their urine bottle?
@ceenote @NomNom I agree with you that roadways need to be designed to curb bad driver behaviors. Not only that, we need less drivers and roadways overall.
However, don't fall prey to them labeling this "AI". Categorization has long been within the scope of Machine Learning which is a sub-discipline of AI; it isn't AI in and of itself (https://scienceexchange.caltech.edu/topics/artificial-intelligence-research/artificial-intelligence-vs-machine-learning). Provided the cameras aren't a surveillance net in disguise, a la Flock, and there are real people qualifying the results, I think it could be a net benefit. This reads to me as a system that can tell the difference between someone holding a phone or holding the steering wheel with both hands. There's really nothing ominous about that. It's essentially the same as identifying variations in handwriting and differentiating between an "a" and an "A" as written by different people. But, if the system also logs driver's license plates and locations and stores them in a database then it becomes more problematic without data retention policies, access restrictions, human review, and other governance mechanisms.
There is potential for abuse everywhere, that's why we have rules, regulations, and laws to prevent such behavior. I'm not an AI booster by any means, but I do think there are practical applications for technologies like this. The key is in rolling technology out in a thoughtful and responsible way. We can't make an instantaneous jump to safer roadways, it takes time and this might be something we can do right now to help. This tech (at least as far as this article is concerned) helps illustrate the culture of apathy and entitlement today's drivers exist within.
Calling it AI and saying it's unbiased by the author and company are likely BS. My opinion is that AI is being used as a buzzword to make sales. I would also take this all with a grain of salt. The company should be under intense scrutiny and there is already a lot of precedent where these kinds of systems are being abused by police.
@reabsorbthelight yeah, I mean it's purely academic at this point. I've seen other people saying the same thing online though so I would wager the idea is being kicked around. I think the threat needs to be made first because red states (whether they will admit it or not) are reliant on blue states for those sweet tax dollars. In my mind it would work out pretty similar to the redistricting votes are playing out.
@reabsorbthelight I agree that isn't how it works. It would be a change but I believe that it's not outside the realm of possibility. Donald Trump and Stephen Miller are big fans of finding emergency powers and using novel legal theories. I think it's high time for governors and state legislators to respond in kind.
The money would go to the state instead of the fed, not stay in a business' account. States have a lot of power, especially when in compact. I think it would only take California and New York doing something like this to really have an effect. Other states joining those two would kneecap the fed.
From my perspective as a business owner it's really just a matter of depositing funds into a different account than the treasury.
Will it be easy? No, surely not. There would be a lot of difficulty in communication, legislation, and even with state's ability to collect taxes there would be work needed to set up collection.
I think this is the response needed for what is turning into the taxation without representation of our generation. We can't sit around and say things can't be done.
@reabsorbthelight yes, I believe states will set up escrow and allow businesses to pay into that. States have tax infrastructure already so I think it would be doable.
@technocrit seems to me more and more like states will be taking their taxes and going home. If we can't get our taxes put where we intended them to go then what's the point of letting the federal government have them?
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@anyala "dick move."
@destructdisc this is pretty close to the reasoning I used to talk myself out of car ownership. The big thing for me was the realization I mostly used the car to go literally nowhere. Most of my driving was just aimless time wasting. I can waste time at home on my couch thank you very much.
@Davriellelouna such specious reasoning! A truly malicious twisting of the facts to seek out retribution against someone doing their civic duty. I wish the judge would have sanctioned her. Clearly the cyclist wasn't determining guilt, they were alerting the police who would be responsible for making that assessment. And to say that performing recording from a public space is an invasion of privacy is patently absurd.
@blarghly well i at last like the IDEA of the mall 😂 Storefronts can change🤞
@Davriellelouna it used to be a lot worse. Check out https://denverinfill.com/. Denver has made great strides in bike infrastructure, has light rail, and as I recently discovered the 16th St Mall renovation is nearly complete.
@cm0002 the bus system in college was "free" for students. It was incredible and very easy to take for granted. I definitely miss it.