DNA ingredients just means organic chemistry. Which, sure, is awesome and critical to explaining our origins, but "seeded from space" has fuzzy open ended implications. Our DNA itself, what with all its specific protein building instructions, wasn't seeded from space. It's like we found ink and pages in space, but we didn't find shakespeare. The writing happened on Earth.
I think it makes sense to reason from what we know about physics and chemistry. We say there's "carbon based" life because carbon facilitates a snap-on structure that makes it the basis of molecular chemistry we use for DNA and proteins. Sometimes we look at other planets and hypothesize other pathways to life based on plausible chemistry. You don't have to assume life is going to be like us in order to have your reasoning about life in the universe being based on plausible mechanisms known to science. That's why we look for planets in what we think of as plausible habitable ranges, we look for water, we look for chemical signatures of metabolism along known pathways.
Of course, always be curious about new possibilities, but weight what we know. There could be life in forms we've never imagined, and we should be open to that. But for now, knowing that organic chemistry, the building blocks for DNA exist and might be widespread is in and of itself a reason to think life could have emerged elsewhere, even though it's only reasoning from the familiar example we know.
Hello? Is this thing on? I sometimes worry that it's impossible to get anyone in a thread like this to stay focused on a train of thought for even five seconds. You posted an article that you thought was a good source, but it wasn't. Then instead of addressing any of that whatsoever, you say "just google it." What we just witnessed was a breakdown in your ability to tie sources to claims, not to mention your ability to keep attention focused on one point before jumping to the next one. You need to fix that before you recommend any more sources.
And I have googled it. The closest thing to a smoking gun is Cox Media Group claiming it as a capability, inspiring uproar and then walking back the claim that they could do it. That's the best media report on it. And this has been directly studied in an academic setting, finding basically no evidence of secret listening. It doesn't mean there's no incentive or that they aren't bad actors, but you can't use a vague feeling that "it's proven" that to justify a breakdown in your ability to think critically or actually look at evidence.
Hacks can and do happen, we already knew this from camera hacks of yesteryear. What we don't know is that major social media platforms or tech companies are doing this, either at all or at scale. And yes, it's important to distinguish those two things, because that's also part of critical thinking.
I don't think I'm ignoring that. The same standards for evidence that stop us from slipping into conspiracy thinking apply here, just the same as they apply to bigfoot, UFOs, etc.
What we have is people not liking McDonalds and calling it a shit sandwich over and over and assuming that somewhere along the way it was proven without actually checking, and then saying "well you know what's in those burgers!".
It's the ultimate "Sumerians Look On In Confusion as God Creates World" scenario. ActivityPub already exists, it's the prince that was promised. We don't need any more platforms.
I recently came across an essay that basically argued we should separate "social media" from "attention media", as the latter is what these places has morphed into.
I think that's exactly right. The one caveat I would throw in is that the federated alternatives are solving a slightly different problem, namely centralization. And that in and of it self did, at least at first, genuinely recreate a feel everyone recognized as belonging to a prior era of the internet. A different structure of who ones it, stopping the network from being bent toward monetization. That's a real thing.
It's easy to be jaded by BlueSky in particular because it effectively ate Mastodon's lunch and got its attention, while not truly being federated or leading to any culture reset. And perhaps more importantly. BlueSky appealed I think to an aesthetic curiosity more than a philosophical purpose, so I think it gives people the wrong impression of what the fediverse is all about.
I agree that Frendica sucks. For the longest time these alternatives were designed appallingly bad. Mastodon was the first case of non-stupid design, quickly followed by Lemmy, Pixelfed and Loops. An era of devs who know what they're doing on the design side, at least to a much greater degree than before.
Found the sane comment. What we know for sure is that a combination of browser fingerprinting, de-anonymization (you can take anonymized hashed emails and compare them to hashes of known emails), and the third party broker marketplace that they can predict things with disturbing specificity like pregnancy, and obesity, to hidden patterns you might not even realize are in the data.
Plus there's enough statistically informed shots in the dark that drive specific ads that, sometimes, they strike with perfect resonance. That's enough to explain uncanny similarity. And the microphone listening thing is still plausible, but without stone cold proof it's just a guess, and it overestimates how much data they need to be able to track you and sell you shit.
One's a settlement with a blanket denial of guilt for Siri and Google Assistant. At least mild circumstantial evidence, because there's a real mechanism (accidental activation and recording) is identified, but no proof, and certainly no proof of an ongoing intentional data broker style program. But at least enough of a pain that they won a settlement. So that counts as a trace of meaningful circumstantial evidence.
But the second one is just a link to sell you a product that doesn't provide any evidence whatsoever and doesn't even pretend to, it discusses the possibility in vague generalities as something hackable and tries to sell you a product. I'm baffled as to why you think that counts as a source.
I'm gonna stop you there. I'm okay with no benefit of the doubt in terms of them being bad actors, but your worldview still has to be built at the bones and joints out of things known to be true otherwise there's no stopping you from believing every conspiracy with no guard rails.
I don't think there's yet a specific smoking gun on this front, but I think once there is, then it is okay to presume it likely happening in other instances. But no smoking gun just yet.
Superbly well said! And essential for understanding and unpacking what "the people want it" really means when leveraged in arguments.
Now for the but - by the sake token, there are applications of LLMs that can step in to do grunt work we don't want to do (e.g. an on-the-go greasemonkey replacement that can change pages in some customized way in response to natural language requests), or engagements with art and creativity that, to the satisfaction of everyone, is something other than slop. But it shouldn't be used to advocate for constantly lowering the lowest common denominator.
If we can all understand that, say, criticizing the policies of the state of Israel is not automatically anti-semitism, and indeed that that is often a bad-faith dismissal of legitimate criticism, we can make the same distinction here.
It took a lot of learning, for sure, a lot of frustrated googling, but worth it. I wouldn't choose Ubuntu Studio as my first experience. Ironically my first experience was with Ubuntu, and it was awesome, but that's back when Ubuntu was good which was like 2008-2012 (my experience evidently is contrary to some here, but it was kind of the breakthrough of strong Linux desktops imo).
Awesome! I want more and better apps in this space. I personally don't trust myself not to lose my phone, so I want to manually sync files to some trusted place, or preferably, have webdav/nextcloud for syncing the way some notes apps have it. It's your project, so do what suits you, but that's something that would push it to the top for me.
We're already seeing it now, but any and all storehouses of previously uncontroversial institutional knowledge will just get labeled "liberal" over time.
It happened to Wikipedia, it happened even to the weather, it's happening to nutrition, and given enough time it will start happening to things like astronomy, air traffic control, earthquake detection, scuba diving, etc.
Smartest comment in the thread imo. There can be good reasons for seeking a variety of ideologically leaned sources, but even the question of who is biased is a politicized question, and it won't necessarily have anything to do with truth.
And as you noted, they change over time. E.g. "iraq war was bad" used to be considered an extreme far left position, though now it's closer to a bipartisan consensus. "We need to avoid regulatory uncertainty", "we need to curb judicial activism", "deficits are bad" used to be right wing positions.
isn’t that still, by defnition, a breach of the company’s data?
In a sense, kind of. But it doesn't demonstrate penetration of infrastructure built and maintained by Google. So there's perhaps a judgment issue, but not a demonstration of their own security capabilities being compromised.
Feyd did a pretty good job of outlining the AUR disclaimers in a different comment so I won't do that here. It's true that Arch won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot, but again it's nuts to claim that routine compiling is the usual case for all rolling distros and belies your claim that you're familiar with usual case experience. There's absolutely no routine experience where you're regularly compiling.
I've used debian and apt-get most of my life, I've used arch on a pinetab 2 for about 6 months, regularly playing with pacman and yay and someone who's never met me is saying I'm a fanboy for being familiar with linux package management. 🤷♂️
DNA ingredients just means organic chemistry. Which, sure, is awesome and critical to explaining our origins, but "seeded from space" has fuzzy open ended implications. Our DNA itself, what with all its specific protein building instructions, wasn't seeded from space. It's like we found ink and pages in space, but we didn't find shakespeare. The writing happened on Earth.
I think it makes sense to reason from what we know about physics and chemistry. We say there's "carbon based" life because carbon facilitates a snap-on structure that makes it the basis of molecular chemistry we use for DNA and proteins. Sometimes we look at other planets and hypothesize other pathways to life based on plausible chemistry. You don't have to assume life is going to be like us in order to have your reasoning about life in the universe being based on plausible mechanisms known to science. That's why we look for planets in what we think of as plausible habitable ranges, we look for water, we look for chemical signatures of metabolism along known pathways.
Of course, always be curious about new possibilities, but weight what we know. There could be life in forms we've never imagined, and we should be open to that. But for now, knowing that organic chemistry, the building blocks for DNA exist and might be widespread is in and of itself a reason to think life could have emerged elsewhere, even though it's only reasoning from the familiar example we know.
Hello? Is this thing on? I sometimes worry that it's impossible to get anyone in a thread like this to stay focused on a train of thought for even five seconds. You posted an article that you thought was a good source, but it wasn't. Then instead of addressing any of that whatsoever, you say "just google it." What we just witnessed was a breakdown in your ability to tie sources to claims, not to mention your ability to keep attention focused on one point before jumping to the next one. You need to fix that before you recommend any more sources.
And I have googled it. The closest thing to a smoking gun is Cox Media Group claiming it as a capability, inspiring uproar and then walking back the claim that they could do it. That's the best media report on it. And this has been directly studied in an academic setting, finding basically no evidence of secret listening. It doesn't mean there's no incentive or that they aren't bad actors, but you can't use a vague feeling that "it's proven" that to justify a breakdown in your ability to think critically or actually look at evidence.
Hacks can and do happen, we already knew this from camera hacks of yesteryear. What we don't know is that major social media platforms or tech companies are doing this, either at all or at scale. And yes, it's important to distinguish those two things, because that's also part of critical thinking.
I don't think I'm ignoring that. The same standards for evidence that stop us from slipping into conspiracy thinking apply here, just the same as they apply to bigfoot, UFOs, etc.
What we have is people not liking McDonalds and calling it a shit sandwich over and over and assuming that somewhere along the way it was proven without actually checking, and then saying "well you know what's in those burgers!".
It's the ultimate "Sumerians Look On In Confusion as God Creates World" scenario. ActivityPub already exists, it's the prince that was promised. We don't need any more platforms.
I recently came across an essay that basically argued we should separate "social media" from "attention media", as the latter is what these places has morphed into.
I think that's exactly right. The one caveat I would throw in is that the federated alternatives are solving a slightly different problem, namely centralization. And that in and of it self did, at least at first, genuinely recreate a feel everyone recognized as belonging to a prior era of the internet. A different structure of who ones it, stopping the network from being bent toward monetization. That's a real thing.
It's easy to be jaded by BlueSky in particular because it effectively ate Mastodon's lunch and got its attention, while not truly being federated or leading to any culture reset. And perhaps more importantly. BlueSky appealed I think to an aesthetic curiosity more than a philosophical purpose, so I think it gives people the wrong impression of what the fediverse is all about.
I agree that Frendica sucks. For the longest time these alternatives were designed appallingly bad. Mastodon was the first case of non-stupid design, quickly followed by Lemmy, Pixelfed and Loops. An era of devs who know what they're doing on the design side, at least to a much greater degree than before.
Found the sane comment. What we know for sure is that a combination of browser fingerprinting, de-anonymization (you can take anonymized hashed emails and compare them to hashes of known emails), and the third party broker marketplace that they can predict things with disturbing specificity like pregnancy, and obesity, to hidden patterns you might not even realize are in the data.
Plus there's enough statistically informed shots in the dark that drive specific ads that, sometimes, they strike with perfect resonance. That's enough to explain uncanny similarity. And the microphone listening thing is still plausible, but without stone cold proof it's just a guess, and it overestimates how much data they need to be able to track you and sell you shit.
One's a settlement with a blanket denial of guilt for Siri and Google Assistant. At least mild circumstantial evidence, because there's a real mechanism (accidental activation and recording) is identified, but no proof, and certainly no proof of an ongoing intentional data broker style program. But at least enough of a pain that they won a settlement. So that counts as a trace of meaningful circumstantial evidence.
But the second one is just a link to sell you a product that doesn't provide any evidence whatsoever and doesn't even pretend to, it discusses the possibility in vague generalities as something hackable and tries to sell you a product. I'm baffled as to why you think that counts as a source.
I'm gonna stop you there. I'm okay with no benefit of the doubt in terms of them being bad actors, but your worldview still has to be built at the bones and joints out of things known to be true otherwise there's no stopping you from believing every conspiracy with no guard rails.
I don't think there's yet a specific smoking gun on this front, but I think once there is, then it is okay to presume it likely happening in other instances. But no smoking gun just yet.
Just to get away from Reddit and help make the fediverse successful.
Superbly well said! And essential for understanding and unpacking what "the people want it" really means when leveraged in arguments.
Now for the but - by the sake token, there are applications of LLMs that can step in to do grunt work we don't want to do (e.g. an on-the-go greasemonkey replacement that can change pages in some customized way in response to natural language requests), or engagements with art and creativity that, to the satisfaction of everyone, is something other than slop. But it shouldn't be used to advocate for constantly lowering the lowest common denominator.
I think it's rebranded Mullvad
If we can all understand that, say, criticizing the policies of the state of Israel is not automatically anti-semitism, and indeed that that is often a bad-faith dismissal of legitimate criticism, we can make the same distinction here.
Yes! Loops exists, which is a federated tiktok app. Doesn't have the same content or algo, but it has the infrastructure we all want.
It took a lot of learning, for sure, a lot of frustrated googling, but worth it. I wouldn't choose Ubuntu Studio as my first experience. Ironically my first experience was with Ubuntu, and it was awesome, but that's back when Ubuntu was good which was like 2008-2012 (my experience evidently is contrary to some here, but it was kind of the breakthrough of strong Linux desktops imo).
Awesome! I want more and better apps in this space. I personally don't trust myself not to lose my phone, so I want to manually sync files to some trusted place, or preferably, have webdav/nextcloud for syncing the way some notes apps have it. It's your project, so do what suits you, but that's something that would push it to the top for me.
We're already seeing it now, but any and all storehouses of previously uncontroversial institutional knowledge will just get labeled "liberal" over time.
It happened to Wikipedia, it happened even to the weather, it's happening to nutrition, and given enough time it will start happening to things like astronomy, air traffic control, earthquake detection, scuba diving, etc.
Smartest comment in the thread imo. There can be good reasons for seeking a variety of ideologically leaned sources, but even the question of who is biased is a politicized question, and it won't necessarily have anything to do with truth.
And as you noted, they change over time. E.g. "iraq war was bad" used to be considered an extreme far left position, though now it's closer to a bipartisan consensus. "We need to avoid regulatory uncertainty", "we need to curb judicial activism", "deficits are bad" used to be right wing positions.
In a sense, kind of. But it doesn't demonstrate penetration of infrastructure built and maintained by Google. So there's perhaps a judgment issue, but not a demonstration of their own security capabilities being compromised.
Feyd did a pretty good job of outlining the AUR disclaimers in a different comment so I won't do that here. It's true that Arch won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot, but again it's nuts to claim that routine compiling is the usual case for all rolling distros and belies your claim that you're familiar with usual case experience. There's absolutely no routine experience where you're regularly compiling.
I've used debian and apt-get most of my life, I've used arch on a pinetab 2 for about 6 months, regularly playing with pacman and yay and someone who's never met me is saying I'm a fanboy for being familiar with linux package management. 🤷♂️