Ah, I didn't notice. You still did initially reply to me though. My first comment in this thread was intended to be commiseration with someone who shares my perspective and I wasn't anticipating being attacked for agreeing that CBT is not all sunshine and rainbows for everyone forced into it.
Even if that were true, it would be because you're being confrontational about my and others' lived experiences in defense of a clincal practice being broadly applied to people who have stated that it has harmed their mental wellbeing.
I'll never be sorry for asserting my belief in effective mental health management that treats people with dignity rather than CBT-no-matter-what. That's really all there is to it, and you're the one who intially replied to me, so it really does seem from my point of view like you're the one with the issue.
Hopefully you get what you need so that you don't react like someone shot your dog for suggesting CBT isn't the fucking amazing solution you believe it is. I don't need your pity or fake concern.
people who desperately need the skills it teaches
It's ironic that you're the one who thinks your point was completely ignored when you still don't understand that the "skills" it "teaches" to you are not the same skills it teaches others that the framework literally doesn't work for. But it seems like you don't want your preconceived notions challenged by alternative lived experiences, so I suppose that shouldn't be surprising.
I'm sick of paying for therapy that doesn't work and having the therapist not offer me any alternatives other than CBT after years of it not working. I have asked for DBT, knowing it works specifically for me personally (from experience with a sole therapist who actually listened), and been denied because "CBT is more broadly effective." So I'm sort of done propping it up and I want others to stop too.
That's great for the people for whom talk therapy and CBT is effective, but the point of my comment and presumably the point of the comment I replied to is that talk therapy using CBT is the de facto standard in the West even when it harms people.
Again, happy that the CBT-lovers have found their thing, but those of us that find it patronizing and minimizing to be told we're what's wrong (for CBT not working like it does for others) instead of the clinical framework not being right for us should have the right to push back against clinicians and pro-therapy laypeople placing specific models of care on a pedestal.
If you can't see that CBT is being applied as a one-size-fits-all solution, especially for young adults and at free/subsidized municipal clinics (who have clients highly affected by poverty and minority stressors), I really don't know what to tell you. It's harmful to people but you feel like you can't talk about it because then people think you're either entirely anti-therapy, antisocial/defiant, or drug-seeking.
More of us need to start saying this. All therapists are powerless to help you with the existential angst inherent to living within a Western capitalist system, but many of them will flat out deny that current material and economic conditions are a root cause of many societal problems that lead to chronic stress and mental illness.
CBT is jank as fuck. You can't reframe your way out of poverty, especially not once you start developing physiological issues related to chronic stress and depression. The notion of it is offensive to me, and the CBT worksheets I was given are the epitome of paternalism. What a waste of time. I have had some luck with using DBT strategies on my own though, and I'm hoping to get referred to a DBT therapy group. Group/peer support has been more helpful than I had thought it would be.
I live in Canada, where official languages are English and (Québécois) French, so yes, you could make many friends. I think about 1/5 of Canada is effectively bilingual, but there are also a lot of people who speak French only.
Actually, the financial system that oppresses people is totally great, and it's not even that oppressive anyway! Only a few thousand people die from it every year, and that's completely acceptable from my perspective because I'm not in that situation.
Are you proud of your arguments here? Do they make you feel like a valuable person? Does this genre of viewpoint make your friends and family happy to have you around? Just a few questions for you to entertain because you seem content that others are miserable.
Wow, that sucks. A few minutes can be the difference between life and death during these events. I would be so fucking mad (and litigious) if my wife died because someone couldn't get the AED open since they didn't have some magic code.
Here, they're programmed not to shock if they don't detect a shockable heart rhythm, so there's pretty low risk as long as the spoken instructions are listened and adhered to. They were even easier to use than I thought they would be when I took my first aid training.
I'm not a fan of correlation is all they can come with up either, but if there's strong correlation for nearly a century (the first studies on cross-sex hormones in adults are quite old) that transition and family/peer support helps reduce depression and suicidality, I'm inclined to at least be supportive.
With children, it's even easier for me in particular to lend my support because the data are still strongly in favour of support even if the kid grows out of it later and blockers are largely reversible with few side effects. But as you say, we need to continue to monitor the literature to see how our understanding of the situation changes as we learn more.
I'm not sure how you could possibly isolate being allowed puberty blockers as a child from your family being supportive. It seems like one follows the other, since every (supported) trans child I know of is on track to eventually receive hormones or has already received them, because it's generally the standard of care if treatment is sought prior to puberty and cross-sex hormones are desired and considered appropriate in the future. Unsupported trans kids don't get treatment.
The overwhelming majority of the literature in the last 30-ish years have reached similar conclusions, we just don't know why yet. The important part is to support trans kids, though. It has been shown to produce the best outcomes.
There was no way for them to know it would be fixed promptly (or at all, to be cheeky about Ubisoft). Flaws are still something that can result in an overall negative experience.
I hear you. It's a pain even when you have the skills to do it. I am looking for a secondary income stream and want more people using Linux, so maybe I should offer that for people. But ugh, the ways a computer can break can be so stupid.
Do you need it to be scalding hot the next day or something? My thermos keeps things insanely hot for like 12 hours. It's actually pretty ridiculous because sometimes the coffee I made before 8 am is too hot to drink even by lunch.
As someone who does Linux tech support for 2 people as a hobby/because I love them, it would cost you more than $100 for all that.
But $300 for the setup and then $100 per year for support would be reasonable as long as you don't expect me to drop everything and rush over when something changes/breaks.
It's about density. Think of a single strand of webbing from a spider versus a thick, established spider web, or a single drop of blue food colouring in a bathtub of water.
You're the one who took what you heard as fact (you made a statement that said something happened that didn't with no indication that it was fiction or urban legend) without checking but okay, stranger on the internet. A dumbass forum comment like yours doesn't merit a literary analysis, get over yourself.
The lack of self-awareness is hilarious, so thanks for the chuckle. Some serious malding loser energy to take an offhand joke so damn personally.
It's a nickname for the IDF that people came up with because they don't do much defending compared to the huge indiscriminate bombing campaigns and the organized settler colonialist raids of Palestinian (et al.) land.
Both spellings are correct as far as I'm aware. Like how we call it the metric system and not système international d'unités, you can translate terms into your native language if desired.
If you want to be pedantic, do it elsewhere, because I honestly do not give a single shit.
Ah, I didn't notice. You still did initially reply to me though. My first comment in this thread was intended to be commiseration with someone who shares my perspective and I wasn't anticipating being attacked for agreeing that CBT is not all sunshine and rainbows for everyone forced into it.
Even if that were true, it would be because you're being confrontational about my and others' lived experiences in defense of a clincal practice being broadly applied to people who have stated that it has harmed their mental wellbeing.
I'll never be sorry for asserting my belief in effective mental health management that treats people with dignity rather than CBT-no-matter-what. That's really all there is to it, and you're the one who intially replied to me, so it really does seem from my point of view like you're the one with the issue.
Hopefully you get what you need so that you don't react like someone shot your dog for suggesting CBT isn't the fucking amazing solution you believe it is. I don't need your pity or fake concern.
It's ironic that you're the one who thinks your point was completely ignored when you still don't understand that the "skills" it "teaches" to you are not the same skills it teaches others that the framework literally doesn't work for. But it seems like you don't want your preconceived notions challenged by alternative lived experiences, so I suppose that shouldn't be surprising.
I'm sick of paying for therapy that doesn't work and having the therapist not offer me any alternatives other than CBT after years of it not working. I have asked for DBT, knowing it works specifically for me personally (from experience with a sole therapist who actually listened), and been denied because "CBT is more broadly effective." So I'm sort of done propping it up and I want others to stop too.
That's great for the people for whom talk therapy and CBT is effective, but the point of my comment and presumably the point of the comment I replied to is that talk therapy using CBT is the de facto standard in the West even when it harms people.
Again, happy that the CBT-lovers have found their thing, but those of us that find it patronizing and minimizing to be told we're what's wrong (for CBT not working like it does for others) instead of the clinical framework not being right for us should have the right to push back against clinicians and pro-therapy laypeople placing specific models of care on a pedestal.
If you can't see that CBT is being applied as a one-size-fits-all solution, especially for young adults and at free/subsidized municipal clinics (who have clients highly affected by poverty and minority stressors), I really don't know what to tell you. It's harmful to people but you feel like you can't talk about it because then people think you're either entirely anti-therapy, antisocial/defiant, or drug-seeking.
More of us need to start saying this. All therapists are powerless to help you with the existential angst inherent to living within a Western capitalist system, but many of them will flat out deny that current material and economic conditions are a root cause of many societal problems that lead to chronic stress and mental illness.
CBT is jank as fuck. You can't reframe your way out of poverty, especially not once you start developing physiological issues related to chronic stress and depression. The notion of it is offensive to me, and the CBT worksheets I was given are the epitome of paternalism. What a waste of time. I have had some luck with using DBT strategies on my own though, and I'm hoping to get referred to a DBT therapy group. Group/peer support has been more helpful than I had thought it would be.
I live in Canada, where official languages are English and (Québécois) French, so yes, you could make many friends. I think about 1/5 of Canada is effectively bilingual, but there are also a lot of people who speak French only.
Actually, the financial system that oppresses people is totally great, and it's not even that oppressive anyway! Only a few thousand people die from it every year, and that's completely acceptable from my perspective because I'm not in that situation.
Are you proud of your arguments here? Do they make you feel like a valuable person? Does this genre of viewpoint make your friends and family happy to have you around? Just a few questions for you to entertain because you seem content that others are miserable.
Wow, that sucks. A few minutes can be the difference between life and death during these events. I would be so fucking mad (and litigious) if my wife died because someone couldn't get the AED open since they didn't have some magic code.
Here, they're programmed not to shock if they don't detect a shockable heart rhythm, so there's pretty low risk as long as the spoken instructions are listened and adhered to. They were even easier to use than I thought they would be when I took my first aid training.
I'm not a fan of correlation is all they can come with up either, but if there's strong correlation for nearly a century (the first studies on cross-sex hormones in adults are quite old) that transition and family/peer support helps reduce depression and suicidality, I'm inclined to at least be supportive.
With children, it's even easier for me in particular to lend my support because the data are still strongly in favour of support even if the kid grows out of it later and blockers are largely reversible with few side effects. But as you say, we need to continue to monitor the literature to see how our understanding of the situation changes as we learn more.
I'm not sure how you could possibly isolate being allowed puberty blockers as a child from your family being supportive. It seems like one follows the other, since every (supported) trans child I know of is on track to eventually receive hormones or has already received them, because it's generally the standard of care if treatment is sought prior to puberty and cross-sex hormones are desired and considered appropriate in the future. Unsupported trans kids don't get treatment.
The overwhelming majority of the literature in the last 30-ish years have reached similar conclusions, we just don't know why yet. The important part is to support trans kids, though. It has been shown to produce the best outcomes.
There was no way for them to know it would be fixed promptly (or at all, to be cheeky about Ubisoft). Flaws are still something that can result in an overall negative experience.
I hear you. It's a pain even when you have the skills to do it. I am looking for a secondary income stream and want more people using Linux, so maybe I should offer that for people. But ugh, the ways a computer can break can be so stupid.
Do you need it to be scalding hot the next day or something? My thermos keeps things insanely hot for like 12 hours. It's actually pretty ridiculous because sometimes the coffee I made before 8 am is too hot to drink even by lunch.
As someone who does Linux tech support for 2 people as a hobby/because I love them, it would cost you more than $100 for all that.
But $300 for the setup and then $100 per year for support would be reasonable as long as you don't expect me to drop everything and rush over when something changes/breaks.
It's about density. Think of a single strand of webbing from a spider versus a thick, established spider web, or a single drop of blue food colouring in a bathtub of water.
Comorbibbity babbity boo.
You're the one who took what you heard as fact (you made a statement that said something happened that didn't with no indication that it was fiction or urban legend) without checking but okay, stranger on the internet. A dumbass forum comment like yours doesn't merit a literary analysis, get over yourself.
The lack of self-awareness is hilarious, so thanks for the chuckle. Some serious malding loser energy to take an offhand joke so damn personally.
It's a nickname for the IDF that people came up with because they don't do much defending compared to the huge indiscriminate bombing campaigns and the organized settler colonialist raids of Palestinian (et al.) land.
I think you heard a fat joke and confused it with a fact.
Both spellings are correct as far as I'm aware. Like how we call it the metric system and not système international d'unités, you can translate terms into your native language if desired.
If you want to be pedantic, do it elsewhere, because I honestly do not give a single shit.