Once again, civil (damages, and likely already settled out of court), and not not criminal (a much higher bar, with prosecutors having to prove criminal intent or negligence, which would have been a flop IMHO).
On the sale itself - HF's owners believed they could make a killing by selling at the right time for the right price. This was it. They had no trouble saying no to lesser offers in the past, and they said yes to the best one. Personally, I'm happy they didn't go with Microsoft.
The hat suits you... it would look better with a feather though.
"My agent hacked hugging face" is almost certainly not a civil legal defence in the US, and I wonder why so many people seem to suggest that it is/was (willful ignorance, is my suspicion).
My bet is that OpenAI offered to compensate HF in one way or another (or already does) and an agreement was made.
OTOH a criminal case would likely be an uphill battle, unless criminal negligence could be established.
There are a lot of people with limited agency over their own work or personal lives, and are at the receiving end of other people's decisions.
Resentment can build when they perceive outside forces impacting their lives and personal well-being negatively. Sometimes this comes to define them as a person, in a self-reinforcing spiral of doom.
For most well adjusted people in decent work and social circles, we can take a more nuanced view, being both critical and optimistic as needed, and finding satisfaction in making the world work for us.
It was obvious this was being used even before the full blown war, with the extremely rapid production of "news articles" on dodgy sites, which would then be referenced by armies of trolls (some real, some bots) on social media as "proof"... There were already tell tale signs of - at least - AI assisted translation with some rewriting in the target languages. Classic propaganda techniques but now significantly cheaper to produce and flood the internet and overwhelm less critical minds.
When ChatGPT hit the headlines and common consciousness, it was a vindication of sorts and I could easily demonstrate the production of slop news.
It may be that he/they have significant competency in this domain, just not publically or under this name/pseudonym.
I've personally made contributions under pseudonyms just to avoid employer paperwork/approvals, for projects that I'd rather not have my real name attached to, and for sharing in potentially hostile communities.
I've also developed software internal to companies that has never been released publicly.
In short ... he doesn't need to prove his prior credentials to you, me, or anyone. He may have some, he may not.
We can legitimately critique what he/they have done in this project all we like though.
Linus seems to be taking a perfectly pragmatic approach, given that AI is not going away short of WW3.
I can imagine some individual sub-system maintainers introducing various AI-roadblocks though.
I also expect this to be increasingly addressed (in general) with model & tooling improvements, giving more weight to higher quality reports and MRs, and more respect for project rules and processes. A mix of soft and hard gates, CLAs, improved early automated bug report & patch reviews and other CI gates.
We should use it to replace all those 0-token near-free existing automations, because it's the future. We just need to connect personal agents to MCPs using admin credentials (or even an admin token vending machine MCP, since LLMs know all the cloud and enterprise APIs already)
AI hype and uncertainty is definitely influencing decision making, that's for sure. If your company doesn't have strong integrated product and architectural leadership, then managers across the company are probably grasping at straws, hoping to find some meaningful goals and ideas that stick. And lazy leaders, who traditionally rely on Gartner and similar feeds for trends and investment direction, probably think anything AI related is a safer bet than ... well, anything else their underlings are proposing.
Hence the need to wrap sound decisions in a layer of AI. It's BS, and many know it's BS, but it seems necessary just now.
gwbasic on an XT here. Automate yourself out of that particular job. If not you, someone else probably will, or some expensive outside consultant will identify it for the chopping block. Find something of more value to do within the company, and slap an AI label on it for good measure. You are in the trenches now and you see the dysfunction... It's likely the same company-wide, so rife with opportunity.
I read the other replies. I was purposefully giving you an alternative, rather than repeating what others said. How you choose to receive it is up to you. Good luck, I guess.
Hate to be "that guy", but you can probably make the FOSS alternative work for you. Create a feature/bug issue on the project(s) explaining the problem in detail. It might be easy to fix.
You can also try to fix it yourself, or ask a programmer friend to help. Friends often like helping friends.
For a smaller investment (eg. one month of ChatGPT Plus for Codex, Kimi, whatever) and you can probably fix all the niggly things that you don't like yourself. Just don't go opening pull requests for code changes you don't understand - it won't be appreciated.
Some home internet routers (e.g.. from FritzBox) support multiple VOIP providers, letting you configure rules as to which provider is used for outgoing calls (e.g.. default for local calls, and another for international calls). And they provide a normal phone connector.
Once again, civil (damages, and likely already settled out of court), and not not criminal (a much higher bar, with prosecutors having to prove criminal intent or negligence, which would have been a flop IMHO).
On the sale itself - HF's owners believed they could make a killing by selling at the right time for the right price. This was it. They had no trouble saying no to lesser offers in the past, and they said yes to the best one. Personally, I'm happy they didn't go with Microsoft.
The hat suits you... it would look better with a feather though.
I present you with your official tin foil hat. May you wear it proudly!
"My agent hacked hugging face" is almost certainly not a civil legal defence in the US, and I wonder why so many people seem to suggest that it is/was (willful ignorance, is my suspicion).
My bet is that OpenAI offered to compensate HF in one way or another (or already does) and an agreement was made.
OTOH a criminal case would likely be an uphill battle, unless criminal negligence could be established.
There are a lot of people with limited agency over their own work or personal lives, and are at the receiving end of other people's decisions.
Resentment can build when they perceive outside forces impacting their lives and personal well-being negatively. Sometimes this comes to define them as a person, in a self-reinforcing spiral of doom.
For most well adjusted people in decent work and social circles, we can take a more nuanced view, being both critical and optimistic as needed, and finding satisfaction in making the world work for us.
Consider yourself privileged.
Troops denied their right to vote. News at 11!
It was obvious this was being used even before the full blown war, with the extremely rapid production of "news articles" on dodgy sites, which would then be referenced by armies of trolls (some real, some bots) on social media as "proof"... There were already tell tale signs of - at least - AI assisted translation with some rewriting in the target languages. Classic propaganda techniques but now significantly cheaper to produce and flood the internet and overwhelm less critical minds.
When ChatGPT hit the headlines and common consciousness, it was a vindication of sorts and I could easily demonstrate the production of slop news.
why get up in the morning, only to have to do it again tomorrow?
why paint a still life, when you can just stare at the real thing for a while?
why not hunt and forage your own food?
why not make your own clothes?
why write boring code, when you can get someone or something else to write it for you?
why contribute features that you think are interesting to a product that you use and enjoy?
why post on social media, rather than doing any of the above?
It may be that he/they have significant competency in this domain, just not publically or under this name/pseudonym.
I've personally made contributions under pseudonyms just to avoid employer paperwork/approvals, for projects that I'd rather not have my real name attached to, and for sharing in potentially hostile communities.
I've also developed software internal to companies that has never been released publicly.
In short ... he doesn't need to prove his prior credentials to you, me, or anyone. He may have some, he may not.
We can legitimately critique what he/they have done in this project all we like though.
Linus seems to be taking a perfectly pragmatic approach, given that AI is not going away short of WW3.
I can imagine some individual sub-system maintainers introducing various AI-roadblocks though.
I also expect this to be increasingly addressed (in general) with model & tooling improvements, giving more weight to higher quality reports and MRs, and more respect for project rules and processes. A mix of soft and hard gates, CLAs, improved early automated bug report & patch reviews and other CI gates.
We should use it to replace all those 0-token near-free existing automations, because it's the future. We just need to connect personal agents to MCPs using admin credentials (or even an admin token vending machine MCP, since LLMs know all the cloud and enterprise APIs already)
AI dividends paying out in 3..2..TABLE NOT FOUND
AI hype and uncertainty is definitely influencing decision making, that's for sure. If your company doesn't have strong integrated product and architectural leadership, then managers across the company are probably grasping at straws, hoping to find some meaningful goals and ideas that stick. And lazy leaders, who traditionally rely on Gartner and similar feeds for trends and investment direction, probably think anything AI related is a safer bet than ... well, anything else their underlings are proposing.
Hence the need to wrap sound decisions in a layer of AI. It's BS, and many know it's BS, but it seems necessary just now.
gwbasic on an XT here. Automate yourself out of that particular job. If not you, someone else probably will, or some expensive outside consultant will identify it for the chopping block. Find something of more value to do within the company, and slap an AI label on it for good measure. You are in the trenches now and you see the dysfunction... It's likely the same company-wide, so rife with opportunity.
Over 95% acceptance rate for offensive/dual use requests. What's not to love for approved users.
The rest of us will have to keep faking production as localhost dev environments and other tricks to get our work done.
But higher satisfaction from those calling 911 for cookie recipes!
27 years ago now. Season 1 aired in 1999.
I read the other replies. I was purposefully giving you an alternative, rather than repeating what others said. How you choose to receive it is up to you. Good luck, I guess.
Hate to be "that guy", but you can probably make the FOSS alternative work for you. Create a feature/bug issue on the project(s) explaining the problem in detail. It might be easy to fix.
You can also try to fix it yourself, or ask a programmer friend to help. Friends often like helping friends.
For a smaller investment (eg. one month of ChatGPT Plus for Codex, Kimi, whatever) and you can probably fix all the niggly things that you don't like yourself. Just don't go opening pull requests for code changes you don't understand - it won't be appreciated.
Some home internet routers (e.g.. from FritzBox) support multiple VOIP providers, letting you configure rules as to which provider is used for outgoing calls (e.g.. default for local calls, and another for international calls). And they provide a normal phone connector.
Yes, bad data centers. BAD BAD datacenters. whacks datacenters on nose with a rolled up newspaper
Just wait until you see how much they waste on unused life insurance!