jorgesumle

u/jorgesumle@lemmy.pt
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You side with mass murderers, rapists and war criminals, and you ask me not to be rude? On a sub for ukraine, no less, shitting on the victims. That’s rich. You are vile.

I didn't side with anyone... You read a lot of propaganda, buddy.

Isn't blowing up a dam, killing civilians, destroying a pipeline, banning all opposition, forcing people to fight without air support or training... bad things? You speak like NATO and the Ukrainian regime weren't terrorists.

I am telling you to get lost

That was rude. If you don't want to see my posts or comments, you can block me.

Mi ne komprenas kial vi subtenas tion.

Kion mi subtenas? Mi subtenas pacon.

Tio estas tiel kompleksa afero ke diri ke estas ĉio ĉar la Usono faris ion, aŭ ke ĉio estas pro la okcidento, estas tro simpla unuflanka vidpunkto.

Mi ne diris tion. Mi nur diskonigis artikolon, kiun mi ne skribis. Mi pensas, ke nek Usono nek Rusio bone agis.

Kial ne vere helpi ĉirkaŭ vi, serĉi via feliĉecon kaj tiu de aliaj, anstataŭ serĉi, per duone fermitaj okuloj, kulpulojn, kiam ni jam scias ke ĉiuj la politikistoj kulpas de ĉio en la geopolitiko?

Mi vere helpas multajn homojn. Mi tradukis Lemmy al la hispana kaj al Esperanto, mi lernigas homojn pri komputiloj, mi kreas liberajn programojn, ktp.

I suspect he must be involved in spreading misinformation for the CCP.

I think he is capitalist. He is a tech worker who worked at Google and Facebook, at least that what he says.

Did you ignore the part where I said they voted for a politician who said he would strengthen ties to the West? Then did the opposite? Then the people took to the streets until he fled the country?

No, note that I'm using the present tense. I don't believe what politicians say. They both lied.

To leave your country, or to have your country leave NATO/EU/western alliances/etc? I’m sure you could try and convince people in your country to leave NATO, but NATO support is generally at a long-time high right now.

Both.

but NATO support is generally at a long-time high right now.

I don't think so. They had to start a propaganda operation to boost support of NATO on social networks, because people are getting tired of socio-economic problems, and most people are tired of warmongers that only fill the pockets of the arms industries.

If you think consent can only be granted if it’s by every individual rather than a collective in a democratic vote, then sure. I think most people think democratic votes are the best expression of the people’s will. It’s hardly perfect, but certainly better than a self-appointed vanguard.

"Democratic" states are mostly controlled by oligarchs. I recommend to read the book the Ego and its own to understand why democracy is garbage. Not even half of the people with voting rights voted on 2019 Ukrainian elections, Crimea and separatist Donbass not included, so well...

They really got no vote: no elections, no opposition political parties, no way to leave the country if you want, huge oligarchy, a lot of corruption, huge debt...

And guess what, people are clamouring to join

I'm clamouring to leave, and many people as well.

the Ukraine chose the west.

You talk like Ukraine was unified place, like western and southern Ukraine were the same. Did Crimea choose the West? Did Donbass?