I plan to keep it up. It does cost a decent bit every month, but with Cloudflare caching most requests, it's not too bad. The place I need more help from is moderators that are familiar with the fediverse and PoE, currently it's just me This community is really cool, so it's really just banning bots or people coming here to post rude stuff and then leave.
If this instance goes down, I believe any content kbin or other sites have mirrored stays up, but new posts wouldn't be visible
If it costs too much I'll set up a Patreon or something, I already have a private one that covers maybe 80% of discord bot costs, but I don't post it anywhere because I don't want to ever profit off of this
I assume by your decision question you're asking about the sub reopening? If that's the case, reddit is forcing subreddits open. Although some of the core mod team is resigning, we felt it'd be better to ease the new mods in with help, rather than have reddit fully replace the team and get random users.
As for the instance, it will be staying up! I'll try to keep poereddit.com up as well to mirror posts, but with reddit's API changes it will likely need to remain historical, through March 31st 2023.
Yep. We expect it too. If the community chooses to continue to keep the subreddit NSFW (we'll re-poll every now and then), we'll push back on the admins about it. That said if they toggle the subreddit to non-nsfw and lock it that way, we'll just have to tell the community it's not possible
So is marking the sub nsfw a viable option? It seems like Reddit is pushing back on that.
Reddit is pushing back, but from talking to other mods in the mod coord, the only ones who have been fully demodded are ones that allowed explicit content. Just marking as NSFW seems okay, the linux subreddits have all done that. PoE even has good justification for going NSFW, the game is rated M for nudity, gore, violence, etc, and the subreddit does use profanity in about 25-30% of all posts (I checked via the poereddit.com database)
So, if the community wants it, I expect we'll do it unless something changes
Have you considered the move r/politicalhumor made by giving everyone (limited) mod powers?
I hadn't heard about it until you saw it, looking at it now huh, that's pretty interesting. I worry about the users who post every day but generally expose lightly-toxic behavior abusing this. I suppose it's only temporary though. Will keep an eye on it
What are your thoughts on Captain Lance’s video?
I saw that and I regret that we didn't make our poll 1) more simple and 2) more clear about what 'nsfw' means. Those were communication failures on our part. It was an honest mistake, but we should've caught it.
Your concerns are super valid. And on the GGG using reddit to communicate I can tell you they stopped doing that already for other reasons a while back. I'm sure we'll see a big Chris post about PoE 2 at some point but not much else. Fighting toxicity is really really hard. We eliminate 90% of it and it's still a lot
Ultimately we have to go with what the community decides here, now that we've polled. The community is asking to determine the future and they've made the vote clear.
That said, we will absolutely re-poll the community later (a week? a month?) to ask if they want to stop it, so there will be more opportunities to change it. This protest won't be forever. I'd say just take a deep breath and keep using the subreddit as before, starting later tonight (PT).
It would be somewhat weird for that to be the case, the post never got enough traction to show up on /r/all
Maybe if it was linked in some group somewhere
I do wonder about a comment-based poll, where you need a certain amount of karma to vote and it auto removes + processes comments as they are made. Not sure how to set that up, but I've seen it done. My main concern with it is that the community can't see clearly what the vote was
Am I positive it won't get out of hand? Not entirely, a lot of our mods are retiring and we will not have bandwidth to moderate everything as quickly as we have before.
The community's votes say they want the NSFW option, I'm fine with it too, but the comments seem more against it, it's a bit concerning
Oh, to be clear we have never considered allowing actual pornography or gore on the subreddit. All the rules and mod enforcement will be the same. This poll option would just mark all posts as nsfw in the UI, which hurts reddit's advertising quite a bit.
We can justify this by the game being rated M for violence, nudity, etc, and around 1/4 posts has profanity in it or it's comments, based on some database queries I ran
Three will be more updates on that with the main post. That said, I will maintain this Lemmy alternative and the site described in this post for as long as I am able.
My personal opinion is that this is the beginning of the end for reddit, and the PoE community should diversify from being so reliant on a single, externally controlled site. Federated, open source, community hosted content seems like the future if you don't want your hosting platform to use profit as a reason to make it worse. The PoE Wiki made this transition, and I believe the subreddit can too.
I'm sure a lot of people's #1 question right now is: Will the /r/pathofexile subreddit come back before Exilecon? The short answer is yes. There will be detail on reddit's communication to us and other subreddits, plus moderator team updates and a community input post this week once we've finished talking to the admins. This was a contentious topic and some of the subreddit mods are resigning over it. Thanks for being patient
Gotcha, yeah the reddit profile items won't be available, but for Google search results you could take reddit.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff and replace it with new-website.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff
Anyway I'm still working on setting that up. I'll post here when it's ready
Let me reassure you there -- we don't plan to close it down forever. Additionally, for the duration of the blackout I'm working on a read-only mirror of the subreddit with all the data up until March. The data is exported. Later this weekend I should be able to share a link that lets everyone view the contents of the sub without actually giving reddit any traffic
Would that resolve your concern about guides? Or does the posts are saved mean through the reddit saved tab, and you'd still need to re-find them all
I'm not sure we have statistics on modding from desktop versus PC, but when we mod on mobile, most of us do so from these third party apps that are going away in a few weeks. I think at this point we expect that after killing 3rd party apps, reddit will move forward with removing old.reddit.com, where most of us do our desktop modding too. This was the straw that broke the camel's back, but it seems like the right place to draw the line in the sand to us
I plan to keep it up. It does cost a decent bit every month, but with Cloudflare caching most requests, it's not too bad. The place I need more help from is moderators that are familiar with the fediverse and PoE, currently it's just me This community is really cool, so it's really just banning bots or people coming here to post rude stuff and then leave.
If this instance goes down, I believe any content kbin or other sites have mirrored stays up, but new posts wouldn't be visible
If it costs too much I'll set up a Patreon or something, I already have a private one that covers maybe 80% of discord bot costs, but I don't post it anywhere because I don't want to ever profit off of this
I assume by your decision question you're asking about the sub reopening? If that's the case, reddit is forcing subreddits open. Although some of the core mod team is resigning, we felt it'd be better to ease the new mods in with help, rather than have reddit fully replace the team and get random users.
As for the instance, it will be staying up! I'll try to keep poereddit.com up as well to mirror posts, but with reddit's API changes it will likely need to remain historical, through March 31st 2023.
Yep. We expect it too. If the community chooses to continue to keep the subreddit NSFW (we'll re-poll every now and then), we'll push back on the admins about it. That said if they toggle the subreddit to non-nsfw and lock it that way, we'll just have to tell the community it's not possible
Reddit is pushing back, but from talking to other mods in the mod coord, the only ones who have been fully demodded are ones that allowed explicit content. Just marking as NSFW seems okay, the linux subreddits have all done that. PoE even has good justification for going NSFW, the game is rated M for nudity, gore, violence, etc, and the subreddit does use profanity in about 25-30% of all posts (I checked via the poereddit.com database)
So, if the community wants it, I expect we'll do it unless something changes
I hadn't heard about it until you saw it, looking at it now huh, that's pretty interesting. I worry about the users who post every day but generally expose lightly-toxic behavior abusing this. I suppose it's only temporary though. Will keep an eye on it
I saw that and I regret that we didn't make our poll 1) more simple and 2) more clear about what 'nsfw' means. Those were communication failures on our part. It was an honest mistake, but we should've caught it.
Your concerns are super valid. And on the GGG using reddit to communicate I can tell you they stopped doing that already for other reasons a while back. I'm sure we'll see a big Chris post about PoE 2 at some point but not much else. Fighting toxicity is really really hard. We eliminate 90% of it and it's still a lot
Ultimately we have to go with what the community decides here, now that we've polled. The community is asking to determine the future and they've made the vote clear.
That said, we will absolutely re-poll the community later (a week? a month?) to ask if they want to stop it, so there will be more opportunities to change it. This protest won't be forever. I'd say just take a deep breath and keep using the subreddit as before, starting later tonight (PT).
It would be somewhat weird for that to be the case, the post never got enough traction to show up on /r/all
Maybe if it was linked in some group somewhere
I do wonder about a comment-based poll, where you need a certain amount of karma to vote and it auto removes + processes comments as they are made. Not sure how to set that up, but I've seen it done. My main concern with it is that the community can't see clearly what the vote was
Am I positive it won't get out of hand? Not entirely, a lot of our mods are retiring and we will not have bandwidth to moderate everything as quickly as we have before.
The community's votes say they want the NSFW option, I'm fine with it too, but the comments seem more against it, it's a bit concerning
We won't be allowing any more appropriate content than we currently do, so the limit is really a Poe statue that's unclothed.
Oh, to be clear we have never considered allowing actual pornography or gore on the subreddit. All the rules and mod enforcement will be the same. This poll option would just mark all posts as nsfw in the UI, which hurts reddit's advertising quite a bit.
We can justify this by the game being rated M for violence, nudity, etc, and around 1/4 posts has profanity in it or it's comments, based on some database queries I ran
Yeah there was something wrong with the emailer last week, sorry about that!
Hey, check out this comment: https://pathofexile-discuss.com/comment/7833
There will be an update early this week
If the subreddit is up, probably not.
We will definitely include this in the poll when the subreddit is forced to reopen!
I'll make sure it's posted in both places for those who don't want to use reddit anymore!
Three will be more updates on that with the main post. That said, I will maintain this Lemmy alternative and the site described in this post for as long as I am able.
My personal opinion is that this is the beginning of the end for reddit, and the PoE community should diversify from being so reliant on a single, externally controlled site. Federated, open source, community hosted content seems like the future if you don't want your hosting platform to use profit as a reason to make it worse. The PoE Wiki made this transition, and I believe the subreddit can too.
I'm sure a lot of people's #1 question right now is: Will the /r/pathofexile subreddit come back before Exilecon? The short answer is yes. There will be detail on reddit's communication to us and other subreddits, plus moderator team updates and a community input post this week once we've finished talking to the admins. This was a contentious topic and some of the subreddit mods are resigning over it. Thanks for being patient
We actually just got modmail from reddit telling us we need to open up or they will assign new mods. We're talking about what to do.
Gotcha, yeah the reddit profile items won't be available, but for Google search results you could take reddit.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff and replace it with new-website.com/r/PathOfExile/morestuff
Anyway I'm still working on setting that up. I'll post here when it's ready
Let me reassure you there -- we don't plan to close it down forever. Additionally, for the duration of the blackout I'm working on a read-only mirror of the subreddit with all the data up until March. The data is exported. Later this weekend I should be able to share a link that lets everyone view the contents of the sub without actually giving reddit any traffic
Would that resolve your concern about guides? Or does the posts are saved mean through the reddit saved tab, and you'd still need to re-find them all
I'm not sure we have statistics on modding from desktop versus PC, but when we mod on mobile, most of us do so from these third party apps that are going away in a few weeks. I think at this point we expect that after killing 3rd party apps, reddit will move forward with removing old.reddit.com, where most of us do our desktop modding too. This was the straw that broke the camel's back, but it seems like the right place to draw the line in the sand to us