@berniethewordsmith Good questions! Right now Blacsky is still using some important pieces of Bluesky infrastructure: the AppView, the platform-level automated moderation for CSAM / malware / spam (which Bluesky outsources to Hive), and the PLC directory (although they're running their own mirror of that so paying the costs for it). https://neuromatch.social/@jdp23/115107435947310644 talks a bit more about dependencies.
I'm not sure of the costs. A big difference from fedi is that the PDS only stores information from people hosted there (as opposed to here where instances have copies of all the info that's sent there). On the other hand Bluesky and Blacksy support uploaded video so it probably takes more per-person. The AppView (which they're working on) is something of an unknown -- besides Bluesky's, the only other ones currently active have just a handful of people, so it's not clear how costs will expand. Replacing platform-level moderation is expensive; Rudy estimated $160K/year -- although this is a place where the direct comparison to fedi doesn't make sense, since most instances don't do that. There are starting discussions with other projects about how to reduce costs on this, but it's early days yet.
"This decision applies only to the Bluesky app, which is one service built on the AT Protocol. Other apps and services may choose to respond differently."
Of course, today 99.9%+ of the people using AT Protocol-based services are using Bluesky's app. But that was already in the process of changing, and stuff like this -- and the Online Services Act, and the (very justifiable) desire by Canadians and Europeans and everybody else not to be depending on US company's infrastructure are just giving it more momentum. So, it'll be interesting to see how it works out.
@naught101 yeah, I just tagged the lemmy community ... and yes it is super cool! although, as the NSFW highlights, somewhat clunky around the edges ... if I don't include a CW here then it figures out the title on its own, and it's not always what I want.
@naught101 it shouldn't, but anything posted on Mastodon with a CW is marked as NSFW on Lemmy. Similarly when the post bridged to Bluesky it got marked as "graphic media" lol. Not sure there's anything I can do about it in either case.
@MrJameGumb yeah I thought @Diplomjodler3 nailed it with "monetize my ass". Then again people have been trying to commercialize the fediverse even before the term got invented -- StatusNet got initial venture funding back in 2009 or so back when it was still the identifverse. So it's a long-standing tension in fedi as a whole.
Mostly though I'm just entertained that people think that it's self-promotion on my part 😂
@LiterallyLMAO I don't think so. But why do you think this is self-promotion? I've got nothing to do with the project, and it's news about the fediverse so it's on-topic for this community.
Transitive defederation -- defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads -- isn't likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing -- although also messy and complicated.
So the recommendation here is for instances to *consider* #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I've also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion -- and the strategic aspects.
The free fediverses should work together with people and instances in Meta's fediverses and on Bluesky whose goals and values align with the free fediverse
Many of the Meta advocates I've talked to share the free fediverses' long-term goal of building a sustainable alternative to surveillance capitalism -- and the same is true for people on Bluesky. So there are likely to be situations where some of the people and instances in Meta's fediverses and Bluesky wind up as situational allies to the free fediverses.
A few areas where collaboration could be very useful:
- A key principle of organizing is meeting people where they are.
- Moderation on decentralized networks is a shared challenge.
- Bringing concepts similar to Bluesky's custom feeds to the fediverses, and more generally focusing on human-focused and liberatory (as opposed to oppressive) uses of algorithms in decentralized social networks designed from the margins.
- Meta's fediverses, Bluesky, and the free fediverses are all vulnerable to disinformation.
There's likely to be a lot of moving between instances as people and instances sort themselves out into the free fediverses and Meta's fediverses -- and today, moving accounts on the fediverse today. There are lots of straightforward ways to improve it, many of which don't even require improvements to the software. And there are also opportunities to make creating, customizing, and connecting instances easier.
Here's how @zkat describes caracoles: "you essentially ask to join concentric federations of instances ... with smaller caracoles able to vote to federate with entire other caracoles."
And @ophiocephalic's "fedifams" are a similar idea: "Communities could align into fedifams based on whatever conditions of identity, philosophy or interest are relevant to them. Instances allied into fedifams could share resources and mutually support each other in many way"
The idea's a natural match for community-focused, anti-surveillance capitalism free fediverses, fits in well with the Networked Communities model discussed in part 3, and helps address scalability of consent-based federation discussed in Part 2.
@DahGangalang https://www.fightforthefuture.org/news/2025-12-11-2-pager-human-rights-concerns-on-18-bills-in-house-cmt-kids-safety-hearing/ just came out today -- they're new enough that I haven't seen any detailed analysis.
https://www.theverge.com/news/829492/house-energy-commerce-kids-online-safety-package is a high-level view of the package as a whole. (One of them got dropped, I think the RESET Act_
@berniethewordsmith Good questions! Right now Blacsky is still using some important pieces of Bluesky infrastructure: the AppView, the platform-level automated moderation for CSAM / malware / spam (which Bluesky outsources to Hive), and the PLC directory (although they're running their own mirror of that so paying the costs for it). https://neuromatch.social/@jdp23/115107435947310644 talks a bit more about dependencies.
I'm not sure of the costs. A big difference from fedi is that the PDS only stores information from people hosted there (as opposed to here where instances have copies of all the info that's sent there). On the other hand Bluesky and Blacksy support uploaded video so it probably takes more per-person. The AppView (which they're working on) is something of an unknown -- besides Bluesky's, the only other ones currently active have just a handful of people, so it's not clear how costs will expand. Replacing platform-level moderation is expensive; Rudy estimated $160K/year -- although this is a place where the direct comparison to fedi doesn't make sense, since most instances don't do that. There are starting discussions with other projects about how to reduce costs on this, but it's early days yet.
@berniethewordsmith thanks, glad you liked it!
@Kirk It is. As their announcement says,
Of course, today 99.9%+ of the people using AT Protocol-based services are using Bluesky's app. But that was already in the process of changing, and stuff like this -- and the Online Services Act, and the (very justifiable) desire by Canadians and Europeans and everybody else not to be depending on US company's infrastructure are just giving it more momentum. So, it'll be interesting to see how it works out.
@naught101 yeah, I just tagged the lemmy community ... and yes it is super cool! although, as the NSFW highlights, somewhat clunky around the edges ... if I don't include a CW here then it figures out the title on its own, and it's not always what I want.
@naught101 it shouldn't, but anything posted on Mastodon with a CW is marked as NSFW on Lemmy. Similarly when the post bridged to Bluesky it got marked as "graphic media" lol. Not sure there's anything I can do about it in either case.
@Blaze@lemmy.zip thanks!
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I was very impressed with the threat modeling
@lisarue@mastodon.geekery.org did to kick the LOLA project off. More of this please! Really good work.
@ruud@mastodon.world @nigini@social.coop
@MrJameGumb yeah I thought @Diplomjodler3 nailed it with "monetize my ass". Then again people have been trying to commercialize the fediverse even before the term got invented -- StatusNet got initial venture funding back in 2009 or so back when it was still the identifverse. So it's a long-standing tension in fedi as a whole.
Mostly though I'm just entertained that people think that it's self-promotion on my part 😂
@LiterallyLMAO I don't think so. But why do you think this is self-promotion? I've got nothing to do with the project, and it's news about the fediverse so it's on-topic for this community.
@olives Very true. And it won't make kids safer. @bad_internet_bills
Instances in the free fediverses should consider "transitive defederation" from instances that federate with Meta
https://privacy.thenexus.today/consider-transitively-defederatiion/
Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses
Transitive defederation -- defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads -- isn't likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing -- although also messy and complicated.
So the recommendation here is for instances to *consider* #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I've also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion -- and the strategic aspects.
https://privacy.thenexus.today/consider-transitively-defederatiion/
@fediversenews @fediverse #fediverse #fedipact #threads
The free fediverses should work together with people and instances in Meta's fediverses and on Bluesky whose goals and values align with the free fediverse
https://privacy.thenexus.today/work-together-with-metas-fediverses-and-bluesky/
Part 6 of Strategies for the free fediverses
Many of the Meta advocates I've talked to share the free fediverses' long-term goal of building a sustainable alternative to surveillance capitalism -- and the same is true for people on Bluesky. So there are likely to be situations where some of the people and instances in Meta's fediverses and Bluesky wind up as situational allies to the free fediverses.
A few areas where collaboration could be very useful:
- A key principle of organizing is meeting people where they are.
- Moderation on decentralized networks is a shared challenge.
- Bringing concepts similar to Bluesky's custom feeds to the fediverses, and more generally focusing on human-focused and liberatory (as opposed to oppressive) uses of algorithms in decentralized social networks designed from the margins.
- Meta's fediverses, Bluesky, and the free fediverses are all vulnerable to disinformation.
https://privacy.thenexus.today/work-together-with-metas-fediverses-and-bluesky/
#fediverse #threads #bluesky #organizing @fediversenews
The free fediverses should make it easier to move between (and create) instances
Part 5 of Strategies for the Free Fediverse
https://privacy.thenexus.today/make-it-easier-to-move-to-instances-in-the-free-fediverses/
There's likely to be a lot of moving between instances as people and instances sort themselves out into the free fediverses and Meta's fediverses -- and today, moving accounts on the fediverse today. There are lots of straightforward ways to improve it, many of which don't even require improvements to the software. And there are also opportunities to make creating, customizing, and connecting instances easier.
#fediverse #fedipact #threads @fediversenews
The free fediverses should support concentric federations of instances
Part 4 of Strategies for the Free Fediverses
https://privacy.thenexus.today/the-free-fediverses-should-support-concentric-federations-of-instances/
Here's how @zkat describes caracoles: "you essentially ask to join concentric federations of instances ... with smaller caracoles able to vote to federate with entire other caracoles."
And @ophiocephalic's "fedifams" are a similar idea: "Communities could align into fedifams based on whatever conditions of identity, philosophy or interest are relevant to them. Instances allied into fedifams could share resources and mutually support each other in many way"
The idea's a natural match for community-focused, anti-surveillance capitalism free fediverses, fits in well with the Networked Communities model discussed in part 3, and helps address scalability of consent-based federation discussed in Part 2.
https://privacy.thenexus.today/the-free-fediverses-should-support-concentric-federations-of-instances/
#fediverse #fedipact #threads @fediversenews @fediverse