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Well if I must pick between:

  • an excerpt of my sarcastic strawman meant to roast the mentality of the type of person I have pegged you for (based you on your own initial strawman) and not a perfectly accurate characterization of the original scenario itself, and
  • accepting a somewhat sensationalized temporary aspect of a pain ritual meant as mental conditioning available to sovereign people…

“Picking” becomes silly, your false dichotomy is a sham. Pointing out differences between similar and adjacent concepts used for different purposes doesn’t actually prop up yours, it just shows I took liberties to roast people like you, because I think people like you also do the same over lesser situations.

As a side note on nuances being ignored here, the one source here says days, others say hours. I’m sure enough it varies by person and actual dosage, as always. This kind of rough characterization and cherry-picking for the sake of impact should be expected from all sources as a foundation of critical thinking. Males in that tribe willingly go through that ceremony 20+ times in their lifetime.

Pearl-clutching your way into validating pain-avoidance as a priority worth pursuing over other practical aspects of life might be the way for you, but it’s not watertight enough to impose on others.

https://www.theguardian.com/childrens-books-site/2013/jul/17/steve-backshall-interview

Hm, or maybe you should allow them to partake in mental training because it could help them overcome challenges more efficiently in the future, making the trade-off worthwhile. I know the ideas of conditioning and building tolerance might be foreign to you, but they’re not foreign to everyone. This isn’t settled science or anything, so for the moment you might have to take a seat down from your high horse and accept the possibility of alternate views existing with plausible arguments behind them.

Oor, hear me out, ideas around morality and consent in the more nuanced-filled space of what would be considered psychological damage versus mental training are undoubtedly biased by the way any observer is raised and so impossible to claim that they can have absolute moral judgments placed on them without taking cultural relativism into account.

They made the big bold claims and moral accusations first.

Someone’s done the math though it rests on some challengeable assumptions about dispersion over time, moreover agnostic of location. The thing is that with those more basic assumptions the probability is about 99% per deep breath, so much higher chances for at least once in a lifetime, enough to consider it probably true even if real-life dispersion isn’t as good as the basic assumption taken. John Allen Paulos (Temple U mathematician) was the first one to get the ball rolling on this idea that I can remember, in his Innumeracy book. Interesting read, btw.

No, no. You see, anything that would cause a privileged modern person discomfort is abuse. This includes the idea that the world is a tough place, the idea of anti-fragility as a mental adaptation to it, or even useful negativity; the idea that it could take actual blood, sweat, and tears to achieve something, they’re all abuse. /s ig.

I suppose that’s fair. I’m so desensitized that this doesn’t seem as bad by comparison; but I don’t want to discourage anyone from calling it out. My educated guess from when I first read the title turned out to be right, so it didn’t register that way for me initially. But you’re right, in the end. It’s a massive problem right now, it’s hard to get away from it enough as a consumer.