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c/politics · by HLMenckenFan@lemmy.world · 2y

Elon Musk's X Is Suspending Accounts That Reveal a Neo-Nazi Cartoonist's Alleged Identity

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-x-blocked-journalists-researchers-neo-nazi-cartoonist/

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jeffw@lemmy.world · 118 pts · 2y (19 replies)
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jordanlund@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 2y (9 replies)

Being reported as doxxing, but I don't see anything in our rules or the lemmy.world rules that would block this.

I'll float it to the admins and see what they say.

jeffw@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 2y (4 replies)

I mean, it was doxxing, but it’s sort of common knowledge since this was published. They ripped the band aid off and now the info is everywhere. It’s sort of pointless to delete it if it’s already out there imo

Edit: Also, if you want to be a fuckin celebrity, deal with it. You got doxxed. You can’t really be famous and anonymous. It’s one thing when it’s Guliani calling on people to harass some random ass election workers, it’s another when you’re kinda famous

brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 2y

if you want to be a fuckin celebrity, deal with it.

Did this big smelly butthole wanna be a celebrity or wanna sell crappy merch and hate people?

When I try to remove my bias…

Would I expect Elmousk to remove my real name if I made comics shitting on nazi buttplugs like in the OP?

Legit question. I should be able to make anti-nazi comics without getting firebombed, period.

Buttt I kinda deserve to get fired if I’m employed by a pro-nazi boss and my infosec sucks and my name leaks.

Any of y’all got answers?

S_204@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 2y (2 replies)

This isn't doxxing, it's reporting on doxxing.

Completely different and totally cool!

jeffw@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Well, what I linked to was the original doxxing

S_204@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 2y

You're innocent!

ryannathans@aussie.zone · -5 pts · 2y (3 replies)

Doxing is permitted at the instance level? Wow

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y

That's where I expected to find it, but it's oddly silent on the issue.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y

It's not, but the phrasing could be stronger:

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#2-respecting-other-users-privacy-doxing

CluckN@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 2y

Erm, doxxing is allowed because we’re the good guys.

AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 2y (2 replies)

My work is similar to those often featured by Charlie Hebdo, published in the New York Times, and shown on Family Guy

Guy thinks pretty highly of his shitty cartoons.

SonnyVabitch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y

Hah, my work is similar, that's brilliant actually.

As I'm writing this comment I'm using words often used by William Shakespeare, Winston Churchill, Lady Gaga, as well as words featured in the King James Bible.

brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y

Lemme guess his bio:

About Me: <see: Jesus Christ>

Jaderick@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 2y

I appreciate that they included as much information as they did to really solidify their points.

can@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 2y

Oh, that one

jordanlund@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2y (3 replies)

Speaking with the admins, I'm going to remove this comment based on this lemmy.world policy:

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#2-respecting-other-users-privacy-doxing

The phrasing is a little vague, there's some discussion on re-writing it and what the definition of "publicly available" is.

If things change and the comment is allowed under the new phrasing, I'll restore it. For now we're choosing to err on the side of caution.

jeffw@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y (2 replies)

or that it is publicly available information

Isn’t it though? That’s sort of the point of the article. Also, his name is now publicly available many places.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y (1 reply)

We're treating it like this, if reputable news sources aren't allowing it, then we aren't allowing it either.

jeffw@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y

Fair enough

Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world · 93 pts · 2y (3 replies)

A lengthy X thread posted by the antifascist research group Anonymous Comrades Collective last week claimed that Stonetoss is a man named Hans Kristian Graebener from Spring, Texas. Stonetoss cartoons, which feature simple and colorful imagery coupled with racist, homophobic, and antisemitic language, have become hugely popular among right-wing communities since they were first published at least seven years ago.

Dang. I hope someone doesn't paste this on Twitter and get it removed.

brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 2y

There are now hundreds of posts on the platform which name Stonetoss as [doxxedNazi]. There are also numerous accounts on the platform that changed their profile name to “[Nazi Doxxi] is stonetoss”—and they haven’t all been suspended.

Interesting: when I search the guy’s name on the dying bird site, top results are all low-view Tweets. And only found one user with the above username. Marsman really sticking up for him!

andros_rex@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y

He also had a comic called Red Panels before which was even worse. Stonetoss was a rebrand to come across as less horrifically racist. The article mentions this, but I think associating his name with Red Panel is also important.

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y

posted by the antifascist research group Anonymous Comrades Collective

Here is that source:

https://accollective.noblogs.org/post/2024/03/12/stonetoss-redpanels/

asteriskeverything@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 2y (6 replies)

Uhh the article just casually throws out there the phrase neo-nazi homeschooling network like that is a collection of words that can exist together now. Ffs.

EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 2y (3 replies)

Well I mean, it is. There’s a known network for homeschooling that’s based around wildly fascist views, actively teaching those values.

can@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 2y (2 replies)

Prager U?

EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Yeah I think it’s under a different name but written by the same folks

irreticent@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
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brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 2y (1 reply)

😭 not clicking not clicking

can@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 2y

It's a vice news article from last year.

glovecraft@infosec.pub · 34 pts · 2y

Of course they are. Twitter was bought by a thin skinned fascist and this is all expected behavior. It's fine to post there for initial awareness, but post your info on other sites as well. Musk can't delete threads on mastodon.

samus12345@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Smokeless7048@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 2y

i assume thats a fake stone toss? darn its gold!

Lonnie123@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 2y (9 replies)

Was it illegal to do what they did to the guy? Thats the only reason Elon says he would ever take any content down from X

brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 61 pts · 2y (7 replies)

They made a new policy just for him!

“The posts that were removed were all actioned correctly,” says Joe Benarroch, head of business operations at X, adding that the posts violated the company’s “posting private information policy” for “outing the identity of an anonymous user.”

While X does have a policy around sharing private information, the company’s terms of service on March 20 did not mention a policy related to outing the identity of an anonymous user, and Benarroch did not respond to a request for clarification. On March 21, after WIRED published this story, X updated its privacy policy to specifically prohibit posting the ”the identity of an anonymous user, such as their name or media depicting them.”

Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2y (2 replies)

How long until PG ignores that rule when some normal, non-Nazi gets doxxed? I give it maybe 2 mooches.

brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 2y

Am I understanding that acronym correctly?

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 3 pts · 2y

Americans and their mooches. Why not join the rest world and tell time the correct, lettuces.

schnokobaer@feddit.de · 5 pts · 2y

Lmao

azertyfun@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 2y (1 reply)

So The New York Times will be banned with extreme prejudice for doxxing F1nn5ter the other day, right Anakin?

Anakin?

brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2y

That didn’t sound right - it was The Times!

And of course ;)

can@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2y

Kinda surprising they didn't have a doxxing policy prior to this, no?

Hominine@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y

Free speech^1^

Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Two people who have no clue what free speech means.

themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y

They don't care what free speech means.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 2y

I'm absolutely surprised that PG is protecting a Nazi.

simplejack@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Those cartoons. Yikes.

samus12345@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y

So many owned strawmen.

Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 2y (4 replies)

I think Elon musk is putting all of his and X's eggs in the Trump basket. He is betting on Trump winning the election, X being the mouthpiece of the new system of government, and himself, Tesla, SpaceX, powerwall, and all of his other looney ideas being the beneficiary of government contracts and favors from the new regime just as looney as he is.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had this in mind for a long time. That's probably ascribing him more intelligence that he has, but it goes with his Bond villain persona. Maybe it's why he bought Twitter at a loss.

asteriskeverything@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y (3 replies)

Trump is nothing to men with that kind of wealth and power. Especially one so bad at everything he does.

Nah Elon is 100% another crazy narcissist with too much money, power, and yes men.

Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 2y (2 replies)

You speak, for someone with the username asteriskeverything, with a lot of certainty about things I'm sure you know nothing about.

However it's nice to have your opinion.

asteriskeverything@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Alright man lol My username is a play on words, say it out loud. But I appreciate the clever call out on it lol. I'm sorry; it seems my my initial reply came off argumentive and/or challenging. I didn't mean it like that and more just friendly healthy disagreement/discussion. I understand how hard that is to see on the internet, especially when everyone so often just seems to try to have some "gotcha, pwn11!!" comment

Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2y

I get it, we're cool

BigMacHole@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 2y

Free Speech!