cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/15125500
xkcd #2942: Fluid Speech
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Thank you to linguist Gretchen McCulloch for teaching me about phonetic assimilation, and for teaching me that if you stand around in public reading texts from a linguist and murmuring example phrases to yourself, people will eventually ask if you're okay.
10 Comments
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 2y
Amusingly, just a couple of days ago we had a post about this same phenomenon in !ausmemes@aussie.zone.
https://aussie.zone/post/10395900
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 2y
Deebster@programming.dev · 3 pts · 2y
It was a choice of posting to there or here (I assume most people who are in one are also in the other).
I imagine they're fairly dialect-dependant as well, at least at times.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 2y
Deebster@programming.dev · 2 pts · 2y
Ha, in my original reply I'd started to contrast my SSB accent with American - I wouldn't go as far as the final panel, although I feel I'd understand it easily enough.
Also, even in SSB (as opposed to the more London Estuary type English), we use glottal stops a lot more than over the pond: /h ɔ́ ʔ p ə t ɛ́j t əw/
apolo399@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
I can never escape the chilean diss. /j
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 1y
apolo399@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
There's this book I really enjoy, "From Latin to Spanish" by Paul Lloyd, that goes at length on the phonological and syntactical evolution of spanish and, damn, spanish really did take quite the funky path in the evolution of its phoneme system while portuguese remained conservative in plenty of its inventory. It's really fun to compare them and see where they diverged and how some phenomena are really quite distinctly romance, like palatalization due to a yod.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 1y
apolo399@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
No, thank you for the wall of text! I enjoy this type of discussion and even more so on spanish and portuguese.
I really find interesting the connection you make with the Caribbean dialects. There has been a great influx of venezuelans and cubans in the south of Brazil and I'm astonished by the similarities that they share with portuguese, sometimes in the choice of vocabulary, some other times in grammatical constructions, and I've already heard a cuban or two pronounce /r/ as is done in portuguese.
Spesknight@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
That's how new languages were born
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 2y
When two languages love each other very much…
pixxelkick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
I feel like I often do 1 step above the farthest right, which is doing "guta", with the t very soft.
"I'mma "guta" go to te sto" is how it comes out when I say it quickly.
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2y
I'm gna go t thuh stor