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c/vegan · by Five@slrpnk.net · 1y

A Summary of the Lemmy.World Vegan Drama (so far)

Monday 12 Aug

  • VeganTheoryClub defederates from Lemmy.ca after harrassment, and removes Lemmy.World based on concerns raised by vegans in the whitelist thread.

Thursday 15 Aug

Saturday 17 Aug

  • Non-vegan LW member is banned from !vegan over comments in the post

Sunday 18 Aug

  • LW Admin unbans non-vegan and restores comments removed by !vegan@LW mods

  • !vegan@LW mods reverse admin actions, ban admin from community

Monday 19 Aug

Wednesday 21 Aug

Edit: I am sorry, about my emotional decision i reinstated @Eevoltic and @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com as mods After researching myself, many non scientific sites say its not healthy and some say its unethical, one (1) research paper says it is at least NOT unhealthy, but it has few points of data and i didnt found any other scientific paper about this…

Wednesday 28 Aug

updated

Saturday 31 Aug

Sunday 1 Sept

Monday 2 Sept

Friday 6 Sept

Friday 13 Sept

  • New !vegan@LW mod @TheTechnician27 posts and pins Recent happenings in !vegan@LW to clarify that a recent mod removal was over an internal disagreement with @Beaver@Lemmy.ca, and was not initiated by LW admins.

Saturday 14 Sept

  • @Beaver@Lemmy.ca account returns "couldnt_find_person" error
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36 Comments

november@lemmy.vg · 22 pts · 1y (3 replies)

"It is different when real imminent harm to real organisms in the actual real world is involved"

stares into the camera like I'm on The Office

poVoq@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 1y (1 reply)

The cognitive dissonance is quite ironic isn't it?

november@lemmy.vg · 6 pts · 1y

Lmao fuck, I was reading from top to bottom

They put that shit in their TOS?? Fucking dumbasses

naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 1y

Yeah I feel like their TOS update banned discussions/promotions of meat eating but I am not sure they realise that.

naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Holy shit actual facts.

I've avoiding arguing about this because I'll just be drowned out but gotta say it's worn on me the amount of people calling us hiltlarian dictators because we gasp want to let vegans post vegan shit without constantly having to defend themselves.

Five@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I can imagine. Solidarity.

naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y

Thanks comrade, mad appreciation for the nice server you run here. I've found some really interesting reading thanks to the users and you seem to have a great culture.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Rooki is such a pest across so many different communities...

BFG9000@lemmy.wtf · 8 pts · 1y

Real big "I'm Important Because I'm A Moderator" vibes from that guy

Luccus@feddit.org · 8 pts · 1y (6 replies)

Except B12 / cobalamin.

B12 is a ass of a nutrient. It doesn't even get absorbed properly.

But it's also availible in liquid form. So there's that - and tastes kinda nice too.

idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Sauerkraut and kimchi have B12

veganpizza69@lemmy.vg · 1 pts · 1y (4 replies)

You probably had bad luck with the manufacturer and what you're tasting is other substances. Pills have no issue, and liquid form seems like a weird way to get it orally. If you're referring to injections, sure.

B12 is always absorbed in tiny amounts orally, whatever or whoever you are eating.

Luccus@feddit.org · 4 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Nono, I'm refering to the properties of B12 itself.

Its oral absorption is just very poor. Apparently only ~1%. So the doses must be immense. But humans only need miniscule amounts. The solution I use has 20,000% MRV. And most supplements have insanely high doses to solve this problem.

On the other hand: B12 is also available through dairy products or in egg-based foods. So it's usually only a problem if one is completly vegan and, as stated, easily subverted.

But you have to be aware of it. Because it's not "always absorbed in tiny amounts" just because you eat something. To quote Wikipedia:

Vitamin B12 is […] the only vitamin that must be sourced from animal-derived foods or supplements.

Also, cool hack:
It's also bright red and can color drinks. That's cool.

veganpizza69@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

There's a lot more to read about it than Wikipedia. The animal sourcing is unreliable too, those farm animals don't make it, they get it from being outside and eating from the soil and drinking from various natural water sources. That doesn't apply to most animal-based food products as those come from factory farms, which is why they supplement, usually as multivitamins. Those who aren't eating a plant-based diet are essentially consuming second-hand supplements, along with second-hand amino-acids, second-hand lipids, second-hand calories. And B12 deficiency is pretty big in many human populations, especially among older adults. Everyone should be supplementing, really. You should stop making it sound like it's difficult or disgusting, it isn't.

Luccus@feddit.org · 9 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I'm really sorry but that's straight up misinformation.

B12 is synthesized by certain bacteria. Plants do not create B12. Water does not somehow randomly contain B12. It's ONLY synthesized by bacteria.

I'm not even saying it's disgusting. I say it's easy to supplement. I'm not sure what's going on, but there seems to be a wild misunderstanding.

If Wikipedia is not for you, here's a random paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29216732 Please. It's not in water. It's not in dirt or floats around in outside air. I'm not saying it's disgusting. Quite the opposite, in fact. I'm just saying it has to be considered and vegans are more at risk in this particular way, that's easily treatable.

veganpizza69@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y

Maybe I wasn't clear, but you certainly have a lot more reading to do. You have a first year student's understanding of the issue.

thisfro@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 1y

Thanks for the summary! I didn't hear about these events at all...

veganpizza69@lemmy.vg · 7 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I'm too old for meta drama. Turn !vegan@lemmy.world into a read-only group with automated posts by a mod and locking. Let them downvote and move on.

veganpizza69@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y

I'm certainly trying to deprecate this connection to Lemmy.world.

Rose@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1y (4 replies)

It may be worth adding the new "Proposal for a weekly AskVegans sticky post" from !vegan@lemmy.world, as it says there's a new moderator and implies that the community is not getting locked. The new lemmy.zip server update also dedicated a paragraph to the "fediverse moderation issues/drama", with the admin in the comments confirming it's in reference to the "vegan thread".

Five@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Updated!

Rose@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Nice! Also of note may be the comments by the main Lemmy developer Dessalines, and by the lemmy.dbzer0.com owner. Perhaps in brackets after the "future" post, unless individual comments by notable people are out of scope.

Five@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Adding significant comment references might make the chronology too cluttered, I'll hold off adding them for now. I'm glad you linked them so people who want more detail can find it in the comments.

Rose@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1y

Fair enough! It's a long read even with the existing posts in place.

neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y (3 replies)
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Five@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Thank you for advocating for yourself and others. You and your friends are welcome here.

neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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Five@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1y

Thanks! Anyone who wants to add to the chronology can send me links in my replies.

door_in_the_face@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Is this kind of behavior by the admin normal and accepted on lemmy?

JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y

No, they made a post about it

veganpizza69@lemmy.vg · 3 pts · 1y

I would recommend treating it as normal. In the end, those who pay for and operate the servers make the rules.

therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev · 4 pts · 1y

Why'd you think you should come into a vegan community, in a thread about moderation, to say something unrelated to a group that will think you're an ass for doing so? Did you just forget your /s? Or are you really that bad at being a decent human being?

Alexstarfire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
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streetfestival@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y
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zecg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Jannies gettin iffy uh

sazey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
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Rose@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1y (3 replies)

More related to Beaver.

Rose@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 1y (2 replies)

It seems there's been more back and forth between the VeganTheoryClub admin Hamid and the suspected alt(s) of Beaver, which may or may not be the cause of VeganTheoryClub shutting down.

Post examples preceding that:

Edit: Updated two links with their archived versions now that the instance redirects to an Imgur image.

Rose@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 243d

Hamid uses a relatively new account to say VeganTheoryClub is still alive on Discord and lemmy.world.

Rose@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 85d

which may or may not be the cause of VeganTheoryClub shutting down.

Now confirmed by Hamid.

Thelemmybud@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y

The story continues!