And according to new research, Columbus wasn't Italian after all but a Spanish Jew. Though it hasn't been peer-reviewed yet so it remains to be seen if it holds up to scrutiny.
And according to Spanish history, Columbus wasn't the one that did the enslaving. After settling and making a small base he returned with news and then the conquerors went for war, the most notorious figure being Hernan Cortez.
It's crazy the amount of Columbus hate I read on american websites and no mention of Cortez, who was way way worse.
Not by conquistador standards, conquistadors weren't a thing when he died. He was the Caribbean governor and conquistadors conquered the rest of americas some years after he died.
1: Would you agree that the Spanish systemically conquered the Caribbean islands to establish the base of operations they needed to expand on the mainland?
2: What does conquistador directly translate as?
3: Was Columbus specifically removed because he was bad even by the other conquered islands' standards?
I don't get if you are trying to be smug about it or whatever, but the "conquerors" were a specific warring campaign soldiers deployed to conquer the rest of america, specifically the Aztecs since those weren't "easy" to convert to catholicism given that they already had a religion.
You specifically said "conquistador" standards, which although it's an Spanish word that translates to conqueror, makes reference to a specific group that wasn't even formed when Columbus died.
Anyway, yes he was bad but I don't get why no fucking one mentions Hernan Cortez, who massacred waaay more people, and went with the intent to murder and dominate them from the very beginning.
Minor edit: he wasn't removed of his titles because he was bad/evil, the Spaniard crows didn't care about the murder of natives. He was removed because he became a tyrant of anyone who lived in the Caribbean, be it native or setter.
Tell me when conquistador became an official title, and what, exactly, was different about the mainland conquests that means you should treat the armed butchers as a separate entity?
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LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1y
I like the part that points out dolphins are more intelligent than humans.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 1y
The only creature on earth smarter than dolphins are mice
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev · 11 pts · 1y
And according to new research, Columbus wasn't Italian after all but a Spanish Jew. Though it hasn't been peer-reviewed yet so it remains to be seen if it holds up to scrutiny.
fushuan@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 1y
And according to Spanish history, Columbus wasn't the one that did the enslaving. After settling and making a small base he returned with news and then the conquerors went for war, the most notorious figure being Hernan Cortez.
It's crazy the amount of Columbus hate I read on american websites and no mention of Cortez, who was way way worse.
Maggoty@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
Iirc Columbus did go back and do his share of abusing too though.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 7 pts · 1y
And was removed from his governorship because he was an evil motherfucker even by conquistador standards.
fushuan@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
Not by conquistador standards, conquistadors weren't a thing when he died. He was the Caribbean governor and conquistadors conquered the rest of americas some years after he died.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 1 pts · 1y
1: Would you agree that the Spanish systemically conquered the Caribbean islands to establish the base of operations they needed to expand on the mainland?
2: What does conquistador directly translate as?
3: Was Columbus specifically removed because he was bad even by the other conquered islands' standards?
fushuan@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
Yes. Conqueror. Yes.
I don't get if you are trying to be smug about it or whatever, but the "conquerors" were a specific warring campaign soldiers deployed to conquer the rest of america, specifically the Aztecs since those weren't "easy" to convert to catholicism given that they already had a religion.
You specifically said "conquistador" standards, which although it's an Spanish word that translates to conqueror, makes reference to a specific group that wasn't even formed when Columbus died.
Anyway, yes he was bad but I don't get why no fucking one mentions Hernan Cortez, who massacred waaay more people, and went with the intent to murder and dominate them from the very beginning.
Minor edit: he wasn't removed of his titles because he was bad/evil, the Spaniard crows didn't care about the murder of natives. He was removed because he became a tyrant of anyone who lived in the Caribbean, be it native or setter.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 0 pts · 1y
Mmhhmm.
Tell me when conquistador became an official title, and what, exactly, was different about the mainland conquests that means you should treat the armed butchers as a separate entity?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Happy immigrants and indigenous peoples day…
Alternatively central Ohio day, for those wishing to draw attention to the fact that the capital of Ohio would very much like a different name
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 6 pts · 1y
Its* native peoples
"It's" means "it is"
Maggoty@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Or you could just use the context, like any other homograph.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
diegooooooo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
The colombian exchange made pizza possible, sooo...
Stovetop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
diegooooooo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Tomato seems essential.
Stovetop@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y