'He's A Juvenile': Canadian Lawmaker Slams Trump's 'Idiotic Behavior' After Tariff Threats

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/canadian-lawmaker-charlie-angus-trump-tariff-threats_n_675d1310e4b08821cba7a322

Summary

Canadian lawmaker Charlie Angus criticized Donald Trump’s recent tariff threats and attacks on Canada, calling his behavior “juvenile” and “idiotic.”

Trump has proposed a 25% tariff on Canadian and Mexican goods, blaming both countries for issues like migration and fentanyl.

Ontario officials warned of potential retaliation, such as barring U.S. alcohol purchases or restricting electricity exports.

Trump’s remarks, including mocking Prime Minister Trudeau as “governor” of Canada, have escalated tensions ahead of trade negotiations.

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24 Comments

watson387@sopuli.xyz · 61 pts · 1y (12 replies)

Yeah, no shit. At least someone is stating the obvious rather than being too afraid of the dipshit to say anything to begin with.

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y (11 replies)

Unfortunately, this guy isn't even a member of the government. He's a backbencher in our third biggest political party. OK enough guy as far as I know, people in the NDP usually are, but he's basically a nobody. Calling him a "lawmaker" is about as generous as they could get.

Acemod@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

He IS a member of government even being a back bencher. He votes on legislation and is a member of parliament.

Or are you low on oxygen?

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y

Secure your own oxygen mask before attending to anyone else's, my friend.

The "Government of Canada" is specifically comprised of the ruling party (or parties, should a coalition government form). While the members of parliament vote on legislation, and can propose private members bills, they are not automatically members of the government, only of the legislature. The federal government controls all executive functions, such as the power to propose and execute budgets, make cabinet appointments, and set the legislative agenda and schedule in parliament.

So no, by the Canadian definition, he is not a member of the government. And since we're discussing Canadian politics, the Canadian definition is the only one that is really relevant here.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y (8 replies)

As a member of the House of Commons, Angus is roughly equivalent to a US Congressman. He IS a member of Government, and DOES play a role in lawmaking.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Angus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada

His party only has 25 seats, so they can't actually DO anything on their own, they need backing from one of the majority parties.

Liberal (153)
Conservative (119)
Bloc Québécois (33)
New Democratic (25)

I think you may be confusing him for a member of a smaller party with no official status:

Green (2)
Independent (4)

tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Imagine having more than two (both right wing) parties 🥹

jordanlund@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y

Nature of a parliamentary system.

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Thank you for explaining the Canadian political system to me, a Canadian. That was really helpful of you.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y (4 replies)

You clearly needed it after complety misrepresenting the role a Canadian lawmaker.

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Pity you don't actually know all that much about how Canadian politics works. Otherwise it might actually have been helpful.

In Canada what you're referring to is called the "legislature", not the "government". The Government of Canada is a specific executive body formed by the party or coalition of parties that holds the most seats, provided they can pass a confidence vote in the House of Commons. It has the power to make Cabinet appointments, propose and execute budgets, and set the legislative agenda. As a member of an opposition party, Angus is categorically not a member of the body known as the Government of Canada (colloquially, the Canadian Government, or Federal Government).

You're also deeply misunderstanding the nature of "official party status." This only matters for the purpose of election laws; it defines access to funding, who gets air time and invites to debates, that sort of thing. Once the legislature are seated, it has no impact. From that point on you only have "The Government", "The Official Opposition" and "The Parliamentary Opposition." The parliamentary opposition is comprised of all MPs, including independents, who are not members of the government. The official opposition is a subset of the parliamentary opposition comprised of the members of the largest opposition party. This status affords them certain legislative priveliges. For everyone else, their status within parliament is completely equal. A member of the NDP has no more rights and priveliges than an independent or Green Party MP.

As a member of the parliamentary opposition, not even the official opposition, Angus is about as low on the totem pole as it is possible to get. He is, categorically, not a member of the Canadian government (unless you're foolishly attempting to force US American definitions onto a non-US American political system), and you'll notice that I never disputed that he is a lawmaker, I just pointed out that this wording is about the most generous definition of his role in our political system that the writers were able to find.

None of this is any disrespect to Charlie Angus. I like the NDP. I wish more people voted for the NDP. But any views he expresses really do not reflect the position of our government, or anything remotely like it in most cases.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1y (2 replies)

You're doubling down on your misinformation which now gets you removed.

Please educate yourself on the nature of a "Parliamentary Government" before continuing to state that a member of parlaiment is not a member of government.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_system

Canada - Leader of the political party that has the support of a majority in the House of Commons of Canada is appointed Prime Minister of Canada by the Governor General of Canada, who then appoints the Cabinet of Canada on the advice of the Prime Minister

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y

Respectfully, please educate yourself first.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada

The Government of Canada (French: Gouvernement du Canada) is the body responsible for the federal administration of Canada. The term Government of Canada refers specifically to the executive, which includes ministers of the Crown (together in the Cabinet) and the federal civil service (whom the Cabinet direct); it is alternatively known as His Majesty's Government (French: Gouvernement de Sa Majesté) and is corporately branded as the Government of Canada.[1][2] There are over 100 departments and agencies, as well as over 300,000 persons employed in the Government of Canada. These institutions carry out the programs and enforce the laws established by the Parliament of Canada.

Emphasis mine. In the Canadian political system only members of the executive are part of the national government. Non-government MPs are only part of the legislature, which is not the same thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Canada

The Cabinet of Canada (French: Cabinet du Canada) is a body of ministers of the Crown that, along with the Canadian monarch, and within the tenets of the Westminster system, forms the government of Canada.

Soup@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1y

Trump thinks that the U.S. buying more from Canada is a “subsidy”. In reality it means that they need us more than we need them(a lot of what they buy is our oil). This will hurt the States more AND I have to hope that their conservative policy will also fuck up our oil sales leading to Alberta finally having to realize that it needs a personality beyond just destroying its environment and being terrible to minorities. One can only dream.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y

When the voters decided that a functioning brain was no longer a requirement to be president, I feel like this kind of stuff was inevitable.

d00phy@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y (1 reply)

People who voted against Trump: “We know.”

People who voted for Trump: “Hell yeah, we know!”

JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

People who sat it out: but genocide! Oh...

eran_morad@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y (5 replies)
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massive_bereavement@fedia.io · 27 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Covid would have taken him if it wasn't for that pesky, dreadful public healthcare he received when he was President.

eran_morad@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
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RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com · 6 pts · 1y

I'm still hoping for him to experience a stroke severe enough to keep him able to experience input but drooling and unable to move or talk.

I wouldn't wish this to anybody, but I'm willing to make an exception for him.

Xanthobilly@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Vance is infinitely worse. Chaos vs organized malignancy.

hyhachi@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y

hopefully the cult wont follow that choad. chode? chaude? fuck, these jerks are exhausting.

JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y

... so why are all the American media and tech firms sucking up to him? Surely they know better! /s

xc2215x@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Charlie is right to say so.

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y

Preach