A huge war with a real possibility of nukes being used but what's the alternative wait until a few more Countries fall then have to fight them as well.
Ideally Putin just needs removed or a reality check but that seems unlikely.
He has threatened Europe openly and explicitly, saying that he wants Russia to go back to the size of the USSR times including the states of their former spheare of influence - which means a big part of Europe.
Sorry, I've read a lot about it during the last few yeats but I don't have the links to the exact articles. Anyway, here are some informative enough that I was able to find quickly:
Back in 2014, Russia caused the death of 196 Dutch citizens with the missile that shot down flight MH17.
Which is completely unacceptable and should have been interpreted as an undeniable declaration of war by Russia.
If European leaders and the EU had recognized the threat and taken decisive and tough measures to eliminate it instead of burying their heads in the sand hoping that continued good trade relations with Russia would appease Putin, we would not be facing this mess now.
But look, better late than never, we will finally invest in our defense like never before since the end of the Cold War and we will have our own strong deterrence mechanisms.
France makes up 10% of the export market for military hardware. And its European / African neighbors are the biggest buyers. Can't say I'm shocked to hear "Don't buy American" and "Buy more guns" from the non-American bulk producer of guns.
At the same time, Russia's been fighting Finland for territory in the Baltic for centuries. And countries like Latvia, Estonia, and Poland definitely have reasons to feel nervous, given the decades of hostility building up since the collapse of the USSR. Crazy to think a country that has taken chunks out of neighbors on three separate occasions since 2008 won't try again.
I mean, if I had a billion dollars, it would be crazy for me not to want to engage with the political system that elevated me to this status.
I can't imagine a future in which someone 1000x richer than an already very wealthy individual wouldn't have an impact on organizing, candidate promotion, GOTV, or subsequent policy making. So long as billionaires continue to exist, they're going to have electoral consequences.
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makyo@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
Russia has been at war with the west for at least 10 years now if not longer, we all need to wake up to this fact
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 1y
The Cold War never ended, it just changed venues.
Teknikal@eviltoast.org · 1 pts · 1y
I'm at the point I'm thinking screw their nukes let's just decimate them and put Putin on a rope.
Yeah it's stupid but to hell with it, it's the only thing that can stop him.
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
You don't know what you're asking for here.
Teknikal@eviltoast.org · 0 pts · 1y
A huge war with a real possibility of nukes being used but what's the alternative wait until a few more Countries fall then have to fight them as well.
Ideally Putin just needs removed or a reality check but that seems unlikely.
Teppichbrand@feddit.org · 4 pts · 1y
You have no idea what you are taking about, Teknikal
biofaust@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
I have nothing against the Russian populace. We should do just the same and arm them against the regime.
alykanas@slrpnk.net · -15 pts · 1y
jaxxed@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 1y
Which one? The one where Russia is a threat to Europe?
alykanas@slrpnk.net · -6 pts · 1y
angrystego@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
He has threatened Europe openly and explicitly, saying that he wants Russia to go back to the size of the USSR times including the states of their former spheare of influence - which means a big part of Europe.
alykanas@slrpnk.net · -5 pts · 1y
HowRu68@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
I'm happy to provide your source though: Russian propaganda.
angrystego@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Sorry, I've read a lot about it during the last few yeats but I don't have the links to the exact articles. Anyway, here are some informative enough that I was able to find quickly:
https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1973471/secret-kremlin-document-reveals-russia-s-plans-for-baltic-states-lrt-investigation?srsltid=AfmBOopSXoqIU29qfA6PA-qKlNPp5fwZ3pk2w0oUQkDMbXYdn4-XqaBy
ttps://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/10/22/whats-does-russias-hybrid-war-playbook-plan-for-moldova
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Back in 2014, Russia caused the death of 196 Dutch citizens with the missile that shot down flight MH17. Which is completely unacceptable and should have been interpreted as an undeniable declaration of war by Russia.
If European leaders and the EU had recognized the threat and taken decisive and tough measures to eliminate it instead of burying their heads in the sand hoping that continued good trade relations with Russia would appease Putin, we would not be facing this mess now.
But look, better late than never, we will finally invest in our defense like never before since the end of the Cold War and we will have our own strong deterrence mechanisms.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Not paying attention I guess?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/europe/putin-nuclear-warns-west-missile-strikes-ukraine-intl-latam/index.html
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/putin-threatens-the-west-says-ukraine-conflict-going-global/
HowRu68@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
Sounds like Russian aggression apologist.
alykanas@slrpnk.net · -9 pts · 1y
Vash63@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
As opposed to the one where Putin is a smart guy and a great friend to anyone who isn't just a freeloading meanie?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
France makes up 10% of the export market for military hardware. And its European / African neighbors are the biggest buyers. Can't say I'm shocked to hear "Don't buy American" and "Buy more guns" from the non-American bulk producer of guns.
At the same time, Russia's been fighting Finland for territory in the Baltic for centuries. And countries like Latvia, Estonia, and Poland definitely have reasons to feel nervous, given the decades of hostility building up since the collapse of the USSR. Crazy to think a country that has taken chunks out of neighbors on three separate occasions since 2008 won't try again.
WuceBrillis@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Its not about supporting Frances weapons industry, its about NOT supporting the Nazis across the pond.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
It is both.
Also, please don't look to hard at how well the Nazis in France and Germany are currently polling.
WuceBrillis@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
And so long as we allow billionaires to affect our elections, they are gonna keep rising... It's fucking frustrating.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
I mean, if I had a billion dollars, it would be crazy for me not to want to engage with the political system that elevated me to this status.
I can't imagine a future in which someone 1000x richer than an already very wealthy individual wouldn't have an impact on organizing, candidate promotion, GOTV, or subsequent policy making. So long as billionaires continue to exist, they're going to have electoral consequences.