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“There’ll be people that they’ll DM me like, ‘You see what your boy’s doing? You voted for this.’ I’m like, ‘I voted for none of this,’” he said. “He’s doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to stop the wars—he’s funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget—he’s increasing it.”
No, buddy. You DID vote for this. You absolutely voted for ALL of this because everything Trump is doing now, he promised, and campaigned on. And you yourself noted he's a Lying Liar that Lies. So you absofuckinglutely voted for all of what's going on right now.
“When you feel like the status quo will do nothing and change nothing, you have way more of a longer leash for the outsiders’ ideas than you do the status quo’s ideas,” he said. “And I think that was the idea with Trump, who’s like, ‘Maybe he will stop these wars.’ No. ‘Maybe we will see what’s up with this Epstein s–t.’ No.”
Take it from somebody who grew up as the Shitgibbon did. He used you. Just like he's used everyone else. You thought he'd expose himself as being a kiddy-diddler? Take the legal risk of being jailed, losing his whole Teflon schtick? Fuck no, that's for the LITTLE people. Like you!!! And maybe you can wrap your head around this little fact. All politicians have their issues, mainly because the guy you pick is opposed by everyone else who wants the pie all to their own. But Trump is worse than most!
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ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 154 pts · 1y
HE
SAID
HE
WOULD
DO
ALL
OF
THIS
simplejack@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1y
I mean, he did tell them that he would only deport the baddies, or not cut Medicaid, or release the Epstein docs, or end wars instantly, or have 60 deals in 60 days, etc etc etc.
He lies and he’s famously good at getting certain people to believe his lies.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
Yeah, ok, fine, but he's also famously contradictory. You have to believe the worst promise of any politician, but him especially.
Guidy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
At the same time, he’s consistently been like this since at least the 1980s.
Anyone and everyone who voted for him should absolutely be held accountable for everything he’s done or does in the future.
Yes, motherfuckers, you in fact voted for this because you voted for him. If my dumb ass isn’t surprised by what he does, none of you get to be either.
(That’s a generic “you”, btw.)
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y
By now people should know it’s always Opposite Day with them, oh and there’s a book called Project 2025, all written down. Time to start reading for once and learn.
TommySoda@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 1y
Well, you did actually. You just decided to ignore what everyone was warning you about and call it "fear mongering." People have been warning you since July of last year and you specifically chose to ignore it.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 1y
TommySoda@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
For real. The only people that are surprised are the willfully ignorant. This shit has been a long time coming.
teft@piefed.world · 12 pts · 1y
Since June 2015 that’s when he declared his first run for president. Anyone who knew anything about him could have told you what was going to happen. We had decades of info on his racist scamming ways.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Sure, but some people at least had plausible deniability. The moment that he became president and showed his competencies, all doubt should have flown out the window.
TommySoda@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 1y
dhork@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 1y
Deep down, I think this guy knows all those reasons are bullshit, too. But he uses them because he doesn't want to publicly admit the real reason -- he would never vote for anyone with a vagina.
NielsBohron@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
I don't know this particular asshole, but IME, the racism is typically more important than the misogyny for MAGA-types (but it's a pretty tight race)
LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1y
I mean…. Hillary is white. Buuuut…. Does have a vagina, soooo
NielsBohron@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Good point. And we did manage to elect a Black man by a veritable landslide (twice). Maybe it's just anecdotal evidence or the particular flavor of MAGA in my area.
dhork@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 1y
Don't worry, by the time the next election comes along he'll be back in the GOP's good graces, because there's no way he'd vote for a liberal....
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 11 pts · 1y
Either that or he’ll vote for Musk’s Epic Based Lulz Party
dhork@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
.... then later he will complain about all these things that he wil claim he didn't see coming. Maybe we should call Elon's new party the Not-See's....
blazeknave@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
I've been trying to figure out that channel's bias recently. Dude literally, "I've never voted Republican! I'm from Manhattan! My mom owns a dance studio- she's an immigrant!" I'm just more confused now.
floo@retrolemmy.com · 30 pts · 1y
kmartburrito@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1y
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 1y
We're all getting what they deserve.
KarlHungus42@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1y
"I'm incredibly selfish and stupid, and because of that, I didn't realize what I was voting for." FTFY
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 1y
If any Trump voter was honest, they'd say "I didn't vote for this...to happen to me, my family, my friends." They damn well voted for it, with the expectation that it would only shit on "others".
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 1y
We already had him in office for four years and it was a disaster. So what do these stupid fuckers do? VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN. I get the cultists who worship him doing that, they're thoroughly brainwashed, but there is NO excuse for anyone else to be surprised by this shit.
fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 1y
If you voted for Trump, you voted for all he stands for. ALL OF IT. Stop crying and trying save face. Own your shit.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · -5 pts · 1y
I voted dem and am anti Trump, but can I ask if you feel the same way about Dems? If I voted for Harris and she continued to provide aid to Israel to bomb Gaza, did I technically vote for that?
This comes of as very "just asking questions", and I'm aware of that, but I hope you will take it as a good faith question because it is.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
As a person that voted for Harris. Yes. And we should be putting pressure on her to condition any aid to Israel.
Meanwhile, with trump, we're too busy trying to keep all of our water reserves for crops from being dumped, and trying to keep US residents from being sent to extra-national slave torture prisons without due process to even think about having time to mount meaningful protests for what is happening in Gaza.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1y
How you feel about people who abstained?
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
They risked everything, and then played to lose. I blame them equally to trump supporters, if not a bit more since they clearly aren't a bunch of brain damaged adult-age children like trump supporters are.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 1y
I guess the question at that point is, if you think Harris voters would be responsible for genocide, and nonvoters are responsible potentially even more than Trump voters, than there is no winning option. If you want to say democracy has become a lose/lose, fine, but I think it's important we're conscious of the fact we're saying that. I don't think everyone is responsible for the worst actions the people they voted for take in their capacity as public officials. I think it's worthwhile to note that and give people grace in that regard. Because otherwise we end up deciding between voting for genocide, or not voting and still carrying blame for genocide, and people make the decision to just not directly vote for it.
I'm not saying Harris lost because of Gaza, but given the choice of being considered responsible for genocide because I voted for it or because I didn't vote for it, I'd rather not vote for it. I want to note that I voted Harris, but I know people who abstained and it's hard to reach them if we (the left) continue to claim that they'd be responsible for genocide either way.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Consider this. Israel and Palestine are gonna fight. They're in an impossible situation. There are only 2 ways they move forward. One is that they agree not to retaliate when struck, and to handle aggression internally and swiftly. The second is that one of them ceases to exist. No US presidential candidate was going to make one of those things happen.*
So... the resolution of Israel/Palestine genocide wasn't on the table for the US presidential election in 2024, in the same way that the issue of Chinese treatment of Uyghurs wasn't on the table, or the UK rejoining th EU, or Mexican drug cartels foregoing violence. People who voted 3rd party, or didn't vote risked all the fascist stuff trump has done in the last 6 months, and all the shit he's going to do in the next 3.5 years, in an attempt to wash their hands of an issue that wasn't up to them to decide in the first place. So they took a large risk on everything for the extremely slim possiblity of at best gaining absolutley nothing, and now they go around crowing like they made the right decision. To me, it's like someone watching a burning bus , and as people are trying to rescue victims, they say "well at least I didn't decide to leave people behind on the bus, unlike those jerks" and the gesturing wildly at singed good samaritans who tragically weren't able to get everyone out of the blaze.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 1y
But if you're stating harris voters are still responsible for genocide then you're saying the Good Samaritan should be blamed too. If the Good Samaritan is tried for not doing enough and found guilty and so is the bystander, then people are encouraged to be the bystander because at least then they didn't choose to get burned up in addition to being held responsible for something. If you want people to help you have to have Good Samaritan laws. If you want people to vote Harris you have to give dem voters grace when the candidate does something they disagree with and they call it out. You can't just tell Harris voters "you voted for this" when Gaza is bombed while also telling trump supporters and nonvoters the same thing. At some point you leave people with no moral opinions so they check out or stop caring about your concept of morality since it cannot be lived up to.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
If their opinion didn’t matter to them then it doesn’t matter to me. They forfeit their voice, it means nothing regardless of how they feel about it. If you do nothing then you are nothing, if you decide that you don’t matter then I’m apt to agree.
fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Hm, I understand what you mean. Dems, yes, I’d feel the same way. This is the reason a vote shouldn’t be looked at as something you just choose to use when you feel like it. It’s a serious decision with very serious consequences. And it is also the reason a lot of people abstained. The choice was just disgusting, a lose-lose situation. So at the very least, when you use your vote, stand by it. Don’t come out crying when it starts to make you look bad in front of your friends. This Andrew guy, when he voted for who he did, already looked bad just by voting for Trump. So why did he vote? Because like many influencers and comedians who thought it was the cool thing to do at the time tested their influence and won. And now he’s sick of his guy making life worse and says he didn’t vote for it? Obviously because it’s making him look worse? No, he did vote for it. And it’s on him if he was ignorant at the time. So for anybody who did vote and is standing by their vote, mad respect, but that doesn’t make you a good person either. Just my two cents, I hope that made sense.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 1y
It did make sense and I can appreciate and respect a coherent world view. It seems like some other people took my comment negatively, and I really appreciate you taking the time to share your viewpoint. I have also previously expressed at least some respect for people who were negatively affected but still hold fast to their trumpism. In my opinion they at least walk the walk after talking the talk. Other people have responded saying that I'm basically respecting people that are brainwashed and in a cult, but I agree with you somewhat that at least they didn't shy away from the consequences of their actions and that's commendable.
I think it's kind of terrible to put people in a lose/lose position that they had only an insignificant amount of control over being in in the first place. No one got to decide on Harris, and I think telling people that voting Harris and not voting Harris both enable genocide doesn't help the cause. If that is your firm belief and you're unable to conceal that because you think it's important that people know, then more power to you, I just feel like it doesn't really help. People will prefer to not vote for genocide than vote for it when if know its inevitable they'll be considered responsible. But I do have to respect you for being consistent in your beliefs, even if consistency might not be the most beneficial or expedient thing.
Again, I really appreciate you taking the time to genuinely respond. I hope next time there's a better option for us all.
jhymesba@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
It is not a good faith question.
Many people took your words to heart and sat out, voted third party, or, worst of all, voted Shitgibbon. Now, not only are we funding Israel to bomb Gaza, we're planning on starting World War 3 with Iran. Stupid is as stupid does, and this is the biggest tent of stupid in the world.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1y
I understand your frustration, but lower down in this thread you can see someone thinks that voting for Kamala makes you guilty of genocide AND not voting makes you worse than a trump voter. THAT is the issue. Not my question. The left is telling itself there is no good choice. I'm just asking if this person is someone that thinks that or not.
Maybe you don't know anyone who abstained, but I do, they are organizers and very involved. If they run into rhetoric saying "voting for Kamala makes you complicit" AND "not voting makes you complicit" they figure they're complicit either way so might as well not cast a vote for complicity. I'm not saying it's sensible, and I voted Harris, but we need to be able to separate voters from the worst parts of the politicians they voted for and give people some grace. I don't know the people in the article, but if Harris was elected and leftists that voted for her said "this isn't what we voted for" if she continued to support genocide, would these people still be in the comments saying "THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR!!" I just think it's important to understand that voters can disagree with individual policies and the left was told Kamala was "secretly wanting to be pro Palestine" so if people just got on board things would get better. If they voted for her and that didn't come true would people call the leftists idiotic for believing she would act differently? I just think we need to understand people as individuals and comments like the one above me can lead to good conversations about how we hold individual voters on both sides accountable while building a strong base.
Octavio@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
So the whole world is suffering, because he wilfully ignored every indicator that Trump would absolutely behave this way.
With any luck, someone who matters to him will be scooped by ICE. That way, he can also experience the intense fear and anxiety that comes from voting enthusiastically for tyranny.
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 20 pts · 1y
Yes, you fucking did. I'm so sick of them trying to dodge blame after the fact. Oh, and if you stayed home...? You also voted for this.
ZombieMantis@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y
Yes you did.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y
There is no font size large enough, no billboard big enough, to post the phrase:
WE TOLD YOU SO
alexc@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
I‘m sick of hearing people say this - It‘s exactly what they voted for. What I would prefer to hear them say is WHY they feel they made a mistake. What about Trumps rhetoric then is disconnected from his current deeds?
I suspect the usual reason is that it‘s impacted them personally and they didn‘t think it would. It‘s the reverse of the boy who cried wolf
smol_beans@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
Welcome these people with open arms. These are people that can be swayed and if you care about defeating fascism you should be interested in swaying them. You might enjoy dunking on them (which is fine) just as long as you're not actively pushing them away.
Nougat@fedia.io · 5 pts · 1y
There is a path to redemption, but this guy isn’t on it.
smol_beans@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Why are you gatekeeping? In what way does he fall short of your expectation?
Nougat@fedia.io · 3 pts · 1y
He still wants all the bad things, just for the "other" people, not for him.
smol_beans@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
People like him speaking out against trump is still much much better than if they all stuck with trump.
booly@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
The easiest way is to enlist their involvement in dunking on the actual politicians, officials, and policymakers. A fascist movement relies heavily on a reluctant populace complying in advance, which is why little pieces of resistance can be effective against fascists. Humor, sarcasm, and outright mockery of the people giving the flimsy orders diminishes their power by persuading the public that there won't be consequences for those who ignore those orders.
It's not going to be enough by itself, but having the apolitical comedians turn against fascism is still a useful thing to have on our side.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
Funny how the deciding factor for Trump supporters is not knowing anything about what he would do once in office.
Like, for fucking real, nothing they've done has surprised progressives. We all knew this would happen.
Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
Yes you did. We even told you in advance.
The problem is, you're a fucking moron.
7112@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Do you know how to read?
jhymesba@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
"But but but...I'm one of the GOOD ones!!! DON'T DEPORT ME!!! JUST THE PEOPLE I DON'T LIKE!!!" 🤣
salacious_coaster@infosec.pub · 11 pts · 1y
In Trump's first campaign commercial back in 2015, he promised to "bomb Iran and take their oil." That's a direct quote of Trump's words that I will never forget because it was so shocking, at the time, for a politician to just say things like that.
Point is, more war was the first thing he promised. And we all had at least ten years to get wise to his bullshit.
ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1y
I wanna see this.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
as political campaign, conservatives were painfully open on what they were going to do.
no trump voter gets to say "I didn't vote for this"
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1y
No, dipshit, you voted for all of this - you were (in the most charitable case) just too fucking dumb and incurious to understand what the fuck you were voting for
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
The thing is, I can relate a bit. I voted for Fetterman, and I have been extremely disappointed by his turnaround.
The difference is, Fetterman is not doing what he said he would do. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do.
jhymesba@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
That's why I'm not down on Fetterman's voters. Hell. I won't be down on them next General if the choice is him or a GQP shill. That's the thing about people like Susan Collins. At the end of the day, we have no leverage on her. She answers to the GQP, not to us. Fetterman knows he's leashed by the DNC. He is risking a lot stepping out of line. Committee assignments. Connections. After-Retirement positions. He keeps fucking around, his only play will be switching parties. Once he does that, he's not a Democrat anymore. Until then, however, he has to to deal with our pressure (and after, well, he'll have to deal with the GQP's pressure...and we'll see how much he's willing to throw away for power!)
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
The crazy part about Fetterman is that he wasn't tied down by the Democratic leadership. They backed McCormick, a pro-business centrist, during the senate primary, and they didn't want him as lieutenant governor before that. He was a progressive wildcard that touted his independence from the party. He was always pro-Israel, but he was also pro-healthcare for all, pro-marijuana legalization, supported human rights and a progressive tax code. His heel-turn has been shocking and baffling, and lost him most of his supporters. Fetterman could be primaried from the left or yhe right, and he will probably lose either way. He could switch parties, but there aren't enough batshit Republicans in PA to make up for his flaws.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 1y
Idiots.
BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
He wants to argue that what he voted for was the end result he wanted. No shit. That's what we all vote for. We all vote for a better life. It's not a snap your fingers thing. You are ignoring the ??? Part of the underwear gnomes problem. He promised these actions and all people who know shit said these actions don't lead to that result.
It's like hiring a fitness instructor who says he will make you thin but eating snack cakes and laying in a recliner. Then you complain when you gain weight. Because you hired him to get healthy? No, you hired him to eat garbage and believed eating garbage would cause you to be healthier.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y
Lead needs to be reintroduced to gasoline so that there is at least some excuse for being this stupid.
very_well_lost@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Is that not an excuse already? The boomer generation grew up absolutely saturated with lead and they're dumb as shit.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1y
Some of us grew up breathing in all the lead and still think guys like this are unbelievable idiots. Low-level lead poisoning may make you slightly stupider and more angry, but I really don't think it explains MAGA idiocy. In fact, it gives MAGAs an excuse they don't deserve. Their racist, reactionary, destructively macho attitudes are on them, not on lead.
The story that MAGAs are like this because of lead poisoning is just another version of the eternal hope that the next generation will see sense and fix things. It never works out that way. Each generation's assholes get the upper hand under capitalism. The MAGA oldies are particularly nasty and stupid not because of lead but because of how they lived most of their lives during capitalism's prosperous heyday of post-WW2 reconstruction, but the world is changing and they want to hang on to their privilege at everyone else's expense, even if it means fascism. It's their own selfishness, narrow-mindedness and wilful ignorance. We don't need to divert the blame to lead.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Thank you.
The other thing to point out is that there are plenty of Taco supporters in younger generations which most likely had a lot less lead exposure.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Depends on the boomers. My parents and all their friends are/were just fine when it came to their mental faculties. I'm not sure boomers are really much different than prior generations or the ones that followed...
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 4 pts · 1y
Dude slathers himself in antelope guts, jumps the fence into the leopard enclosure, then complains about his face having been eaten.
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Trump isn't doing anything different than he did last time; the only change is scope.
This dipshit really thought that Trump would expose Epstein's clients even though he wished Ghislane Maxwell well? You have to be a special kind of stupid to fall for that.
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
Holy fuck, why is it that every person who posts on Lemmy about Andrew Schulz does the same dumb shit?
His name is Andrew Schulz. Shine a light on the rat.
ordinarylove@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 1y
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Waaa crybaby!
Madison420@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Shultz is a rich kid too so I kinda doubt that's gonna be an issue for him.
MerrySkeptic@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
Look at that, he gets cast in a major movie and suddenly he's rethinking Trump support
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 1y