Trump wants to pay off his debt to Putin, and that's going to cost a lot to clear. Putin wants to drag America into the Russian dystopic world, and Trump doesn't really care as long as he's rich and out of prison.
Are you suggesting that for the war to stop, a sovereign nation should cede territory to the country that's been brutally attacking them for several years?
No but I see why you ask. I was asking because of the 4D, which suggests using very elaborate strategies. Merely saying the opposite could even be understood by Trump, so it becomes difficult to identify the 4D strategy.
Trump's personality is such that possibly only Obama nominating him for a NP might give him more of an ego boost and another thing to preen and brag about than Hillary Clinton doing so. The 4D part was that Trump has (to my knowledge) been pretty squarely in the camp of "I'll end this war! (by convincing Zelensky to give up enough ground to satisfy Putin)"
But now, she hoped, maybe he'd go into the meeting with the view that it's now "his" idea that Ukraine doesn't have to give up ground, with his eyes on the prize of being nominated by the person he has vilified most strongly.
His consolation prize even if he didn't win the NP would still be, "I'm a very peaceful man, everyone knows it. They are all saying it, everyone is saying it. Even Hillary Clinton nominated me for a Nobel Prize, can you believe that? Even Crooked Hillary finally realizes that I'm a peaceful man. You know, I bet she's glad she lost now, as she watches what a good job I'm doing."
I'm sure that HC knew there was no chance of any such thing happening, but her nominating him would be a small price to pay if he succeeded. Arguably she's still doing diplomacy, and I say this as someone who is not generally in love with HC.
That's how I understood it. I would't call that 4D, maybe 3D. 4D implies strategies that not everybody recognizes. So if this is the obvious strategy for everybody to perceive, what are her real intentions?
Obviously there is not more to it, but it's fun to speculate.
Hasn’t she done enough “diplomacy”? How about she work on getting the criminals who are in the Epstein files to at least have to go trial.
Yes yes, I'm sorry for extending a mild, lukewarm compliment to Hillary Clinton without first listing every specific thing there might be to criticize about her.
Thank you I appreciate you realizing you are wasting everyone's time and hindering progress by continuing to talk about this bloated dead stinking horse.
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sad_detective_man@leminal.space · 80 pts · 358d
dude this actually made r/conservative go momentarily lucid
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 358d
I think the whole thing is whoooooosh over their heads
breecher@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 356d
That seems like the opposite of lucid. They seem to have just moved further up their own colons packed with their social media propaganda.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 45 pts · 358d
Trump wants to pay off his debt to Putin, and that's going to cost a lot to clear. Putin wants to drag America into the Russian dystopic world, and Trump doesn't really care as long as he's rich and out of prison.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 23 pts · 358d
If they were lucid they'd understand that the point is you get Peace Prizes for stopping wars.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 358d
Dear Hilary Clinton,
Please shut the fuck up forever.
Thanks,
America
corroded@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 358d
plyth@feddit.org · -41 pts · 358d
So she wants the war to continue or to stop?
corroded@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 358d
Are you suggesting that for the war to stop, a sovereign nation should cede territory to the country that's been brutally attacking them for several years?
Because if so, that's fucked up.
plyth@feddit.org · 12 pts · 358d
No but I see why you ask. I was asking because of the 4D, which suggests using very elaborate strategies. Merely saying the opposite could even be understood by Trump, so it becomes difficult to identify the 4D strategy.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 358d
Trump's personality is such that possibly only Obama nominating him for a NP might give him more of an ego boost and another thing to preen and brag about than Hillary Clinton doing so. The 4D part was that Trump has (to my knowledge) been pretty squarely in the camp of "I'll end this war! (by convincing Zelensky to give up enough ground to satisfy Putin)"
But now, she hoped, maybe he'd go into the meeting with the view that it's now "his" idea that Ukraine doesn't have to give up ground, with his eyes on the prize of being nominated by the person he has vilified most strongly.
His consolation prize even if he didn't win the NP would still be, "I'm a very peaceful man, everyone knows it. They are all saying it, everyone is saying it. Even Hillary Clinton nominated me for a Nobel Prize, can you believe that? Even Crooked Hillary finally realizes that I'm a peaceful man. You know, I bet she's glad she lost now, as she watches what a good job I'm doing."
I'm sure that HC knew there was no chance of any such thing happening, but her nominating him would be a small price to pay if he succeeded. Arguably she's still doing diplomacy, and I say this as someone who is not generally in love with HC.
plyth@feddit.org · 6 pts · 358d
That's how I understood it. I would't call that 4D, maybe 3D. 4D implies strategies that not everybody recognizes. So if this is the obvious strategy for everybody to perceive, what are her real intentions?
Obviously there is not more to it, but it's fun to speculate.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 358d
Ah I see your point. I think it is 4D for the target of the move.
plyth@feddit.org · 2 pts · 358d
That's what we want to believe but politicians are as much better at politics as LeBron James is at basketball.
al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 358d
Hasn't she done enough "diplomacy"? How about she work on getting the criminals who are in the Epstein files to at least have to go trial.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 358d
Yes yes, I'm sorry for extending a mild, lukewarm compliment to Hillary Clinton without first listing every specific thing there might be to criticize about her.
al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com · -4 pts · 358d
Thank you I appreciate you realizing you are wasting everyone's time and hindering progress by continuing to talk about this bloated dead stinking horse.
NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 358d
Everything looks 4D when your brain is made of McNugget paste.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 358d
She wants it to stop, but since she has more than half a braincell, she realizes that's absolutely not going to happen from the meeting.
slothrop@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 358d
She wants it to stop.
She's trolling the troll, beating him at his own game, mocking him, and making him the bigger fool.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 358d
The war will never stop until Russia is either defeated or very firmly deterred from further aggression.