The US empire which is the liege state of the Ukrainian gov. Idk why y'all insist not to know how to parse very simple sentences and act like that makes the other person stupid.
Trying to genocide an ethnicity in a territory that borders with others of the same ethnicity is not at all an odd way to enter a war. Especially when your western sponsors have been talking EVERYWHERE about how they're getting you combat ready to eventually use you as an attack dog against the Russians.
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraineās regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Consortium News, 2023: The Westās Sabotage of Peace in UkraineFormer Israeli Prime Minister Bennettās recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev HeardDeclassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
Gish gallop is a technique famously being used by Trump. Do better.
I'm not sure what's the point you're trying to make here. USA bad? Russia good and did nothing wrong? There's no Russian propaganda before and after 2022? Please clarify.
Gish gallop is a technique famously being used by Trump. Do better.
Right, Trump famously researches and curates twenty years of Western journalism.
Iām not sure whatās the point youāre trying to make here.
That before February 2022, Western media wasnāt shy about Ukraineās neo-Nazi problem or the ~14,000 people killed in eastern and southern Ukraine between 2014 and 2021 by the Ukrainian military and the US & Ukrainian government-backed fascist Banderite paramilitary. That didnāt become āRussian propagandaā until 2022. But the pre-2022 Western media articles are still online.
It's very nice that you learned a debating term but it would be cooler if you actually knew what it means before adding it to the thought terminating cliche toolbox.
All of these have sources. All of these are showing that there is not just evidence, but overwhelming evidence for Ukrainian aggression and US involvement in using them like they used South Vietnam and Iraq beforehand. Maybe read some instead of looking for what sort of fallacy you can miscategorize it as so you don't have to learn anything.
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HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 357d
Dunno what you're on about 'cause Zelenskyy ain't the bad guy here.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 356d
If the US is supporting a regime they're bad news, no exceptions
bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml · -13 pts · 357d
The chosen head of the empire puppet gov??
Yeah im sure he's not the bad guy here/s š¤£
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 357d
Youāre the fucking pawn here.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 356d
This is projection
sbbq@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 357d
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 357d
Where is the lie tho
sbbq@lemmy.zip · -5 pts · 357d
The Ukraine empire? Nonsense. What's next, the put upon Russian victims that Ukraine just won't let have their land without a fight?
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 356d
The US empire which is the liege state of the Ukrainian gov. Idk why y'all insist not to know how to parse very simple sentences and act like that makes the other person stupid.
tyra@lemmy.ml · -16 pts · 357d
Dragging your whole country into war because you desperately want to join NATO ā against the will of your citizens ā isnāt bad guy behavior?
wewbull@feddit.uk · 18 pts · 357d
Being invaded is an odd way to intentionally enter a war.
Grapho@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 357d
Trying to genocide an ethnicity in a territory that borders with others of the same ethnicity is not at all an odd way to enter a war. Especially when your western sponsors have been talking EVERYWHERE about how they're getting you combat ready to eventually use you as an attack dog against the Russians.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 357d
For someone who should be resistant to USA propaganda, you seem very eager to consume Russian's.
davel@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 357d
Was Western media also Russian propaganda before February, 2022?
Previously:
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml · -3 pts · 357d
Gish gallop is a technique famously being used by Trump. Do better.
I'm not sure what's the point you're trying to make here. USA bad? Russia good and did nothing wrong? There's no Russian propaganda before and after 2022? Please clarify.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 356d
Nobody's galloping babe you're just slow
davel@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 357d
Right, Trump famously researches and curates twenty years of Western journalism.
That before February 2022, Western media wasnāt shy about Ukraineās neo-Nazi problem or the ~14,000 people killed in eastern and southern Ukraine between 2014 and 2021 by the Ukrainian military and the US & Ukrainian government-backed fascist Banderite paramilitary. That didnāt become āRussian propagandaā until 2022. But the pre-2022 Western media articles are still online.
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 356d
It's very nice that you learned a debating term but it would be cooler if you actually knew what it means before adding it to the thought terminating cliche toolbox.
All of these have sources. All of these are showing that there is not just evidence, but overwhelming evidence for Ukrainian aggression and US involvement in using them like they used South Vietnam and Iraq beforehand. Maybe read some instead of looking for what sort of fallacy you can miscategorize it as so you don't have to learn anything.
KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 357d
Propaganda means it's not true, amirte?
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 356d
Propaganda means if the truth comes from the enemies of the state it must mean it's now a lie.
This is not at all unreasonable š¤
shiroininja@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 357d
tyra@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 357d
This might make you want to reconsider: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/talks-could-have-ended-war-ukraine
shiroininja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 357d
Nah, the only thing that couldāve ending things is the pos Russian cannon fodder turning around and leaving.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 356d
You're extremely wrong
shiroininja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 356d
Time to purge the ZZ trolls from the fediverse. Go back to your corporate safe space, Meta.
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 356d
Marxist Leninists literally started this platform you dingus
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 355d
Lol go back to reddit clown
Grapho@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 356d
Idk chief I see at least one other way this is ending
Grapho@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 357d
"I bet you were going to hit me anyway, so I pulled a gun out. Why are you shooting I'm obviously the good guy here"
Maeve@kbin.earth · 5 pts · 356d
I hope so.
hexagon@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 356d