Trump cannot use Alien Enemies Act to deport members of Venezuelan gang, appeals court rules
https://apnews.com/article/trump-alien-enemies-act-venezuela-9aa913b03c09662aeecdde42901f7706
https://apnews.com/article/trump-alien-enemies-act-venezuela-9aa913b03c09662aeecdde42901f7706
16 Comments
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 77 pts · 352d
Glad we sorted out that issue just in time for unauthorized strikes on boats in the caribbean.
skvlp@feddit.nl · 30 pts · 352d
Am I the only one thinking that resembles an act of war?
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 352d
Resembles? It's a literal act of war. They blew up a ship in international waters.
Even if those people were drug traffickers, they were just executed without a trial. Drug trafficking is not a capital crime in the US.
brunchyvirus@fedia.io · 16 pts · 352d
It's not an ocean liner but America got pretty pissed at Germany for doing it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania
Madison420@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 352d
Well no Lusitania was doing exactly as was accused and was therefore a valid military target. It's why you don't ship tons of ammunition alongside passengers and as far as I'm aware it's a war crime to do.
Kernal64@sh.itjust.works · 43 pts · 352d
He's gonna keep doing it anyway. He ignores court orders he doesn't like and it hasn't negatively affected him so far.
karashta@piefed.social · 10 pts · 352d
It's almost like the power of the courts rely on people being essentially good faith actors within the system. They have no enforcement mechanism.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social · 24 pts · 352d
This is false, and I wish people would stop saying it. It's worse than that. They are still complicit because they won't use their enforcement mechanism.
The courts have the authority to deputize as many as they need to see a court order carried out. This has been rarely done, as the US Marshalls usually carry it out. However, the US Marshalls are under the Executive branch and the Executive has the final say with them.
The deputies of a court do not fall under the executive.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 352d
It's like if someone was breaking into all the houses on the street, setting them on fire, and stabbing the inhabitants while the police stand around going "stop, eh"
Ferrous@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 352d
Okay, the courts deputize 300 people to go try and compel the executive to follow the law - then what? They accuse Trump with contempt of court, serve him papers, threaten to seize assets, or even arrest him? All of this has been tried before. How do you see this playing out?
At the heart of the comment you replied to is an implicit claim "a judicial that has nothing other than legal and procedural means is doomed to fail against Trump". And all you've pointed out is that there are various other legal and procedural means they have yet to try. This is the cursed slogan of liberals who've watched Trump piss on every legal proceeding over the past 10+ years.
Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Until the courts have guns, they're toothless. Trump has subsumed the American legal system.
This blind faith that our "rugged", "resilient", and "pragmatic" system will somehow automatically course correct and steer us out of this fascist devolution is pure liberalism. The genie is out of the bottle.
theneverfox@pawb.social · 2 pts · 351d
He ignores them like a child pushing boundaries. He doesn't respect them, he doesn't fear consequences, but at the end of the day when the courts put their foot down he does back down
Abrego Garcia was brought back. Alligator Alcatraz is being dismantled. Many people are back at work after being illegally fired
The rule of law is gone... But all the law has ever been is what people are willing to enforce. Trump and Co don't care about the law, but they're not willing to get in a standoff
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 352d
Trump's reaction:
Gladaed@feddit.org · 13 pts · 352d
Cannot legally use the alien enemies act to...
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 352d
Trump has committed so many crimes, being Donald Trump is illegal
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 352d
So he can extralegally do it!
Checkmate, judges!
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 347d
Alleged members of Venezuelan gang.