Can we stop trying to beatify this psychopath? It's possible to be against violence and still condemn Kirk and his violent legacy.
Can we stop trying to beatify this psychopath? It's possible to be against violence and still condemn Kirk and his violent legacy.
63 Comments
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 173 pts · 353d
I'm against political violence but as Kirk would say about a raped woman that was wearing a short skirt "what did he expect?"
Dude literally died for what he believed in. We should be happy for him.
archonet@lemy.lol · 83 pts · 353d
More than that, it's "worth it to have the cost" of everyone owning guns, so that we can have some fascist pricks die every so often.
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 22 pts · 353d
I don't agree with the political violence (unless you're fighting back against it) but everyone in America that isn't a maga cult member should look at investing in more guns and gun handling training.
archonet@lemy.lol · 25 pts · 353d
I'm paraphrasing his quote on gun violence.
In a way, he's right -- this death? Worth it. Totally. I just wish it didn't come at the cost of many schoolchildren and other innocents before (and after) him.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 19 pts · 353d
Turns out those police officers and security couldn't keep Charlie Kirk alive.
archonet@lemy.lol · 13 pts · 353d
On the other hand, in a sick and twisted way, this all does lend credence to the whole "good guy with a gun" idea. you can't tell me that microphone in his hand isn't a weapon, and you sure as shit can't tell me Charlie Kirk was a good guy.
In other words, this was justifiable self-defense, that sniper protected those college kids from a cognitohazard.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 353d
I just watched the Behind the Bastards episode on the zyzzians and my brain immediately that Kirk was gonna start spouting off about Rokus Basilisk.
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 353d
Ahh ok. I gotcha
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 353d
Work for the world you want to live in, prepare for the world you already live in.
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 353d
I didn't expect this shit to happen in my life time (a phrase uttered by many, no doubt) but here we are.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 353d
Yeah, we ain't even rock bottom yet...
Like, it's past recommending "guns".
Everybody should legit be getting ARs/AKs and plated vests these days.
It doesn't take a lot of range time to get competent. Both platforms are very simple.
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 353d
Besides, empathy isn't real, its more of a new age belief. Luigi can be the patron saint of the righteous hand of justice. Charlie can be the patron saint of the self righteous receiver of justice
archonet@lemy.lol · 15 pts · 353d
It's gonna get a whole lot worse before things get better, but they'll be remembered as some of the first, yes.
personally I'm of the opinion that society goes in cycles, generally, if you know history. We're either about to have civil war or mass revolt, I'm pretty sure -- when the circuses are still going but there is no bread, for millions, and it's only getting worse -- that's generally when shit gets real. Massive, massive oversimplification, mind you; but more and more people in the US are feeling the economic squeeze that republicans (and by extension also, late-stage capitalism) pile on more every year.
In other words, we're in the opening paragraphs to a very long chapter in some high schooler's history class on this period of American history in the future -- probably also lumped into an economics class with the 1929 stock market crash and the consequences thereof. How it will be written about I shudder to imagine, but you'll have a lot of "patron saints of fucking around/finding out/delivering unto thee the finding out".
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 353d
He meant school children, not himself.
Hegar@fedia.io · 25 pts · 353d
The time for being "against political violence" as a general concept is long passed.
One side has violence against anyone but themselves as their only policy. Fascism doesn't surrender to reasoned argument, law or elections.
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 353d
It's certainly on the very limit of when it should be used but for whatever it means, Kirk was just a hateful person. As far as I'm aware he didn't actually murder anyone but in the current climate, what did he expect?
Feyd@programming.dev · 6 pts · 353d
He was certainly influential enough on the wrong side of the wrong topics that putting some lost lives on him wouldn't be remiss.
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 353d
There's. I love lost from me. It'd just be nice if it hadn't gotten like this in the first place but some people love to hate
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 353d
*no love lost
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 5 pts · 353d
He didn't directly murder people, but the ideas and beliefs he spread did. I mean, at the very least his Covid conspiracy theories were killing people.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 353d
Every thread I see a new shit take from this dude. It’s like a nesting doll of poo.
Man really left a garbage legacy.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 353d
Charlie Kirk was political the same way the Ku Klux Klan is political.
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 353d
He was a walking advertisement for allowing hate to flow through people. Like I said: what did he expect?
wirebeads@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 353d
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 353d
I was perma banned from reddit for merely suggesting it might happen to drumpf and felon
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 352d
Believed gun deaths were a good thing, didn't believe in empathy. My joy that he's gone is right in line with his beliefs!
Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 350d
A win win for everyone
PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml · -23 pts · 353d
Being "against political violence" is defending the status quo. Kirk's opinion on guns wasn't problematic at all and fucking liberals acting like that was his problem disgust me.
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 353d
He didn't believe in empathy, and thought that a few gun deaths regularly was well worth the cost.
You praise Charlie, but do you really follow his teachings?
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 51 pts · 353d
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one · 41 pts · 353d
Nazis should be shot.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 19 pts · 353d
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 352d
fascists need to be shot
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 352d
Don't post pictures of text. Just type it
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 353d
Was never elected nor held office so never a politician, just a hate monger.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 35 pts · 353d
he was a propagandist
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 36 pts · 353d
I haven’t been this elated since Luigi.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 352d
We need more good news like this more frequently
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 353d
I think it's entirely possible to simultaneously be horrified by his murder, feel deep sympathy for his family, and be glad he's no longer in the world.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 353d
Right there with you. His wife I don't worry too much about, she knew what she was getting but his kids didn't choose this.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 16 pts · 353d
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 352d
There's was almost no chance these kids could grow up to be decent people with a paternal figure who believed black people are inferior, that women should submit to their husbands and that gun rights trump safety, particularly the safety of children.
Doesnt justify murder by any means. I believe all people are capable of reform. Unfortunately capitalism was creating a positive feedback loop so that the more regressive ideas he spewed, the more views he got and the greater his wealth would grow. Making reform unlikely but its always possible.
Ultimately his kids may have a chance of growing up to see all people as equal now, because I doubt their father would have accepted that from them.
DrFistington@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 353d
I feel happy for his family. They're free now
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 9 pts · 353d
Hayduke@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 353d
Right there with ya. Truly sucks for him and the family but I’m glad he isn’t spreading his hateful, racist, misogynist shit anymore. It’s a shame he didn’t stop earlier.
ape_arms@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 353d
https://youtu.be/XMFwj30seEg
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 353d
He was a propagandist.
Most politics is propagandist as it works to suggest we shouldn't lead ourselves, but need representatives, and that we need to support and work for the gamified tokens (money) of the nation.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 353d
I love how they titled the article as a direct retort to the NYC’s fucking idiotic platforming of a fascist sympathizer.
Hegar@fedia.io · 20 pts · 353d
It's impossible to be against violence and say anything good about that two bit hateful grifter.
TipRing@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 353d
That is perfectly the point. I am against violence and Kirk was a piece of shit who we should feel free to condemn for the harm he was causing right up to his last moments.
Klein's fawning whitewashing of Kirk's dishonest tactics is, if we are being exceptionally charitable, naïve.
lennybird@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 353d
Kirk was a radical right-wing extremist. Groomed though he may have been (well, that hair was terrible), he just spewed hate speech.
neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 353d
A few hours before this article was published Jason Koebler at 404 Media published something remarkably similar:
https://www.404media.co/charlie-kirk-was-not-practicing-politics-the-right-way/
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 352d
It's riffing off an article Ezra Klein wrote with the headline "Kirk was practicing politics the right way". Klein wrote this because his brain is full of cheese.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 353d
Fuck, where's the byline? I get if they are afraid to publish under their real name but gimmie more from this author, I want to see if I agree with them in other articles.
TipRing@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 353d
Weird, I see the byline as David Corn, their Washington, D.C. Bureau Chief.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 352d
At the top? I don't see a byline at all. Maybe it's one of my blockers
boaratio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 352d
Ezra Klein sucks. Has always sucked, will always suck.
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 352d
He's so confusing. Sometimes he'll say something and I'll think he's based, but most of the time it's awful.
It certainly isn't consistent, that's for sure.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 353d
Oh my god!!!! He was a psychopath!!!!
I love that psychopath is included in this article.
https://studyfinds.org/study-russian-trolls-supremely-effective-at-exploiting-american-fear-anger-online/
TipRing@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 353d
You should gander through my post history before levying accusations.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 353d
I don't know what your intentions are, you could have just been brought into it unknowingly. I apologize if you're not on that side. Your post still has the same outcome.
TipRing@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 353d
Look, your heart is in the right place, but your entire premise is built on a single word choice in my post about a man worthy of every ounce of scorn I can muster. Take a step back and realze that me being angry about mainstream media outlets like NYT and MSNBC falling over themselves to honor this vile man isn't evidence of anything more than that. You have misread this situation.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 352d
Maybe.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 4 pts · 353d
So? What the hell is your point?
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 352d
That in using the word psychopath in their argumentative comment, they got you to click the link just like the Russians... Maybe
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 352d
Oh boy, another one with Russia Russia Russia brainworm. Take some responsibility for your own country's despicable culture and downfall.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 352d
*nonviolent legacy