Cross-posted from "The Guardian Retracts Their Coverage of the Shooter Being a Leftist" by @livejamie@lemmy.zip in !chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
The Guardian Retracts Their Coverage of the Shooter Being a Leftist
Cross-posted from "The Guardian Retracts Their Coverage of the Shooter Being a Leftist" by @livejamie@lemmy.zip in !chapotraphouse@hexbear.net
61 Comments
memfree@lemmy.ml · 132 pts · 331d
I'm annoyed that this post doesn't include a link to the SOURCE. Grrr. Here it is.
There. Now it isn't just a questionable possbly faked pic, but a verifiable retraction with the misleading 'leftist' bits still at the top of the page and in the sub-headline.
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 331d
Sorry, I didn't think people would think fake news could appear in here. That wasn't something I was considering.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 39 pts · 331d
There’s a bunch of tankies that constantly post Sputnik and RT and so on in various communities, and those places are very often running stories that I’d pidgeonhole as “fake news”. Always a good idea to cite and link your sources, as a general rule.
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 331d
Will do that from now on. Do those people get banned and taken care of if they're found to be posting bullshit?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 331d
No, because they do it on .ml, which is run by tankies
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 331d
Can't the mods of lemmy.world ban them from posting here though?
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 331d
Memes too apparently.
memfree@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 331d
People should always question their sources just as a general rule.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 331d
it can, and frequently does
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 65 pts · 331d
Pathetic and disgraceful for the guardian.
henfredemars@infosec.pub · 46 pts · 331d
The guardian is usually highly reputable. They’re one of the few left that I would consider reputable. Bit of a shame. At least they retracted it.
hector@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 331d
Meh, they are weak sisters. Look at their israel coverage, you should expect this.
Habahnow@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 331d
Idk the retraction is pretty honest. Not to mention, that source may have said things originally, and not wanted to continue to say those same things afterwards for any number of reasons(they were lies or even, they don't feel comfortable being publicized)
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 32 pts · 331d
Why did such an internationally respected english news source go with such flimsy evidence on a topic where the consequences of leaning into rightwing narratives are so high?
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 331d
because none of these major publications aside from propublica and others like it value real journalism because we live in a world that is so full of the lie that getting the story first is more important than getting the story right. the guardian is better than many, but many people who work there came from news orgs that valued speed over accuracy. blame advertisers normalizing shit like getting every news org to investigate who al gore was going to pick for is running mate. a story that required no scoop. we were all gonna find out no matter what
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 331d
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 331d
Because it’s a live blog.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 331d
I don't think that excuses this.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 331d
Same reason they repeat israel's lies. They are weak.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 331d
A reasonable person would not feel comfortable being publicized in this context.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 331d
Unless they want to get on the talk show circuit
ceenote@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 331d
Par for the course for the left
Edit: I'm talking about receiving misplaced blame
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 331d
Lol so do the right and center score +15 on this course typically? Or more like a DNF type awkward situation?
ceenote@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 331d
I'm talking about receiving misplaced blame.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 331d
ah gotcha!
yumpsuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
It’s more like the golf scene from The Mask
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
Genuine question, why? They reported on the information they had, even if it wasn't flattering to the left. Then they retracted it when the information changed.
neatchee@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 331d
My neighbor Steve says he knew Robinson personally, even went to the same church, and it was a brain parasite that caused him to go crazy and shoot someone.
I'm just gonna print that in the New England Journal of Medicine, because after all, it's the information I have, and I can always retract it later, right?
/s 🙄
Misinformation is deeply dangerous and respectable journalists have a duty not to print bullshit in the first place. Sure, mistakes happen, but we don't just hand-wave it away with "well, they said sorry sooooo 🤷♀️".
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 331d
If you're going to be the first to publish something consequential like this, you should have verified information from multiple sources, not a single phone interview.
plz1@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 331d
So they just leave the headline alone? They know many people don't even go past that...
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 331d
That bothered me too
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 331d
Not a headline. It’s a live post not an article.
grindemup@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 330d
What's the difference?
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 330d
An article is a self-contained narrative which should be researched and corroborated before publication. A live blog is less detailed and formal, is more immediate, and has a higher error rate as speed is the aim.
grindemup@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
Why is a news organization publishing things that look like news articles but which have none of the elements of rigour that is expected of news organizations? Seems like something we should firmly reject.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 329d
It may look to you like a news article, but you’re seeing a screenshot in isolation. It’s a post on a liveblog, and readers aren’t going to confuse it with an article.
grindemup@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 329d
Apologies for the bluntness but that is absolute nonsense. I just took a look at the article on my phone: ZERO clear indication that this is any sort of "liveblog" whatever that's supposed to mean. It's from a news organization, it's not clearly marked as an editorial, the url and menu clearly mark it as "news", and the screenshot literally says "this article".
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-suspect-washington-utah
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 329d
Grab your ponies. You’re on the wrong link.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-shooter-suspect-latest-news-updates-donald-trump-utah?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with%3Ablock-68c47b768f086519d327114d#block-68c47b768f086519d327114d
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 331d
And that's how you incite a civil war.
Well played, brits! The redcoats have the final laugh. (/joke, because The Guardian is British)
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 331d
What happened? Right-wingers suddenly don’t want to kill the killer and everyone he resembles? What changed?
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 331d
Sheesh, and that's the Guardian. One of the last good ones.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 331d
Just Grauniad things. Maybe they shouldn’t have stuck all their sub-editors on zero hours contracts and fired them before they got tenure.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 331d
A war would be the biggest story of their lifetimes.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 331d
But how do they profit? Like soldiers and conscripts aren't going to be paying them a subscription fee.
TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 331d
How else are they going to get bullets?
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 331d
They want to be the next Walter Cronkite.
scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 331d
"Very hard Republicans" comedians are out of the job the way these jokes write themselves.
Xanthrax@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 331d
Can't retract what that casing said, lmao
"Catch this fascist"
Is the new
"I SHOT REAGAN"
Fuck fascism.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 11 pts · 331d
The casings were engraved with groyper memes, yes.
Xanthrax@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 331d
Ah shit, a guy who shot up a school likes 4chan? Who could've seen that coming. Now it's a lemmy meme. You looked at this ur gay.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 331d
What the fuck are you talking about?
Tyler Robinson shot Kirk. The Colorado school shooter from the same day is a different person.
And those aren't Lemmy memes - do you know what a groyper is?
Xanthrax@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
Awh shit, wrong thread lmao
alt_xa_23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
I haven't seen any convincing evidence of this yet. It's definitely a possibility, but we shouldn't act like it's been confirmed.
As I said in another comment, groypers and their ilk coopt existing symbols to identify themselves. They act in the realm of plausible deniability, making it very hard to prove who is and isn't part of the movement.
Most of the inscriptions could also support the conclusion that he's on the left. (More plausibly than they support the groyper idea, imo)
Or maybe he's just a nihilist who wanted to be famous and filled the bullets with ironic memes and video game references.
The case is not closed on his motivations.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 4 pts · 330d
Every single thing was a groyper meme.
He wore a trump costume. He wore a Pepe costume.
If each casing existed in a vaccum, and there were no other information whatsoever (like his father wearing 3 percenter shirts, the costumes, even the timing of him becoming political) I'd be able to agree with you.
I'm not saying his motives are confirmed, but to say he's not a groyper would be ignoring the information we do have.
miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 331d
The 'leftist' dressed up as the rapist on Hallowe'en to own maga.
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 331d
I think it's entirely possible they don't have an ideology, and they were shitposting IRL.
The Trump costume is confusing because you don't know if he's wearing it to mock him, to support him, or if he just wanted to do it to trigger people.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 331d
he's mormon. is that part of the far right christian nationalist coalition or not?
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 330d
Mormons are more libertarian than they are far right in my book.
I think shit like Nick Fuentes and actual Nazis are far right.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
I'm seeing very little (mainstream) coverage that he's a groyper. What's up with that? Is that considered not yet verified? Is that being held back so we can talk about his roommate/possible girlfriend that is trans and harp on that instead of him being a groyper and/or Fuentes fan?
livejamie@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 329d
I think it's entirely possible that he was apolitical and just shitposting IRL.
His socials have been leaked, and there wasn't anything in there.