I work for the elected officials of my left leaning state government. I think Charlie Kirk was a piece of shit. The violence saddens me, but I am not sorry he is gone. I still have to observe decorum, no matter my feelings.
Decorum forcing people to only say nice things about a piece of shit person because any criticism or expressing happiness that he is gone being misconstrued as supporting the way in which he died is bullshit though.
Being forced to say nice things about him would, indeed, mean you have a shitty job. Consequences for saying negative things about him is different. On social media that's identified with me or easily traced back to me I say nothing about Charlie Kirk. Lemmy, on the other hand...
No one is forcing me to say nice things about him at work. I just can't openly talk trash about him at my job, which means I say nothing. Even without being in a government job, don't most people avoid politics in the work place anyway? I'm here on Lemmy because my comments can't be linked to my actual life and job.
Right? We have 1 guy at work who wears his politics on his sleeve. Even people who agree with him avoid him in the office because theres no place for that. The only people i talk politics with are people ive worked with for over 10 years and we have an outside of work friendship
Never believe that [bigots] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [bigots] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Sartre on Anti-semites, but applicable to all forms of hateful oppressors.
IMO it's fully decorated to say "I was taught that if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, don't say anything. For that reason, I will not be talking about Charlie Kirk."
Jobs under capitalism are just wage slavery/servitude. The "privileges" you are allowed will change with time or workers movements. But the relationship of exploitation hasn't changed here. The level of control in the existing exploitative relationship is what is changing. It's the relationship of capitalism evolving into what we call fascism.
Fair point but if you're a licensed professional you probably don't have the ability to publicly say whatever you think. Fuck me for enjoying my chosen profession, apparently.
There's a concerted effort by a group of trolls/facists to scrape the web then doxx the commenters and have meemaw and pop pop call customer service crying.
Or to directly contact C suite in cases where that's possible.
There’s indeed that, and liberals comfortable with fash praxis so long as they can reinvest their pensions.
I’ve gotten banned from multiple communities in lemmy for ousting how comfortable they are sending folks to deathcamps, when they literally have an ICE facility they can easily dismantle.
When even asked for the modicum adverse compliance, they refuse even that.
I’ve gotten banned from multiple communities in lemmy for ousting how comfortable they are sending folks to deathcamps, when they literally have an ICE facility they can easily dismantle.
Not you, though. You're too important to the Revolution(tm) to risk in such minor actions, amirite?
It is precisely because I was forced anarchist praxis through poverty that I risk my life everyday to ensure liberals liberate folks whenever they can, yet when push comes to shove, who shoots first?
By your standards, are you saying that I should blame all japanese people during WW2 for failing to stop the imperialist japanese government from invading my ancestral homeland (China) and committing looting, rapes, and massacres?
(Not that I blame them, but that's what your logic suggests I should do.)
Oh btw, your country is still downplaying the Nanjing Massacre. 🤔
and liberals comfortable with fash praxis so long as they can reinvest their pensions
blame all japanese people
Did I say all folks of a population, or a subset of folks not doing a modicum part of their supposed stance?
My downvoters exemplified my thesis, by even refusing become a group to dismantle a single facility.
Where there anti-imperialists factions then? Heck yeah, and we got massacred. Do I blame them for failing, heck no.
But do I blame comfortable liberals when they didn't even bother to dearrest one fellow abductee you bet I do.
I have nuance. My downvoters don't. They are satisfied with deathcamps, and won't lift a single finger to save anyone.
Btw, it hurts me more to remind me of the 南京事件 because my parents were victims. So yes, I am a living proof to be anti oppression every single time.
Not lifting fingers to save folks is wrong.
My last name is also a word and FB won't let me make an account. I don't want to make one, I deleted mine a while ago, but I wanted to make one for my dog 8 years ago and found out I couldn't because of my last name. No one should be using SM with a real name
Well, they're coming for anonymity as well. The UK identification laws could be used to collect data on theoretically anonymous social media accounts, as it applies to any website that could possibly show a child something "inappropriate", which iirc, includes not just porn but what they consider support for whatever they define as terrorism.
GOP reps have been pushing for similar ID/age checks for a while.
Yeah I'd probably be in a lot of trouble now if I were to. It's kind of ironic, because the right used to bitch and moan about the left "canceling everything and limiting free speech". Who's doing that now?
The idea that people ever say anything on the Internet that the whole world can see, and do it in their own name, seems ridiculous to me.
If something is in my real name, it's only for work purposes, like say Linked In. And in that case I'm only ever posting there if I need a job or something.
I wouldn't talk about my favourite sports team, let alone anything political, if it were in my own name.
There is absolutely no way logic, reason, history, or even the man’s own awful words that will penetrate the thick, fact-resistant, hate-filled skulls of the right. They want blood, they make up completely wild BS about the “violence” of the left, and they don’t want to hear anything about any other shootings that right wingers did.
It's not that hard to keep your social media separate from your actual identity. I mean, I'm not posting anything they could use against me on my fucking Facebook. And all my other social media doesn't lead to my real identity in any way.
I deleted facebook Jan 2025 and scrubbed everything that was there. Same with reddit. I have a tiktok account just so I can watch videos but post nothing.
I'm participating in protests outside of work, I write and call federal reps, (because I am not allowed to lobby the state reps I work for, ethics and all,) I donate to wikipedia, ACLU, and other organizations that protect our constitutional rights. I boycott companies that support Trump and right wingers, to the absolute frustration of my household. My, "we can't shop there, we can't buy that product," is met with tons of eye rolling and teeth gnashing. My rebuttal is always, is saving even $1 worth our freedoms? I work for democrats in the state government, so I'm busting my balls doing my job to the best of my ability to support the people on the front line that oppose much of this fascism. I'm doing all I can, but unless someone is willing to step up and pay me a salary and benefits for further activism, I can't leave my job. If I'm going to die for my beliefs, it will be when things devolve enough that our final choice is to take up arms. I don't want to own a gun, but getting to that point means I need the disposable income to purchase one in the first place.
Hey I sympathize. But income means nothing when the despot owns all your political resources. If the fascist GOP have all the guns, and you don't, I am sorry you're ill prepared to combat your enemies.
As an anarchist, I’ve had to fight tooth and nail to protect my comrades. We lost a lot of good people too, doing good work. And the 🇺🇲 has killed them, one by one. There are times I feel hopeless too, but I think about my kids, and that of others, and envision a future they shouldn't be oppressed, or raped. It reminds me everyday I must fight for others, and never give up on liberty (the true word).
So I urge you to take time, rethink your strategies, and look up the actually strategies that liberated us from British Monarchism. Then the French ones, Spanish ones, etc., to now Brazil, Nepal, Thailand, Taiwan, Mexico, Indonesia, etc..
I pray you see their successes, and practice them.
PugJesus 🧵 seems eager to help. DM him, since he’s 🇺🇲. I am not.
As an anarchist, I’ve had to fight tooh and nail to protect my comrades. We lost a lot of good people too, doing good work. And the 🇺🇲 has killed them, one by one.
Ah, yes, the well-known ongoing US war against Japanese anarchists.
Again, an incident of rape by an American that is prosecuted by Japanese courts. The idea that that is some sort of evidence of a war against Japanese anarchists is lunacy.
That you posted a link to the same incident with three different sources to make it appear like you were presenting different incidents is also quite pathetic.
85 Comments
MisterOwl@lemmy.world · 118 pts · 361d
If your company has control over what you're allowed to say, you do NOT, in fact, have a good job.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 59 pts · 361d
I work for the elected officials of my left leaning state government. I think Charlie Kirk was a piece of shit. The violence saddens me, but I am not sorry he is gone. I still have to observe decorum, no matter my feelings.
snooggums@piefed.world · 21 pts · 361d
Decorum forcing people to only say nice things about a piece of shit person because any criticism or expressing happiness that he is gone being misconstrued as supporting the way in which he died is bullshit though.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 361d
Being forced to say nice things about him would, indeed, mean you have a shitty job. Consequences for saying negative things about him is different. On social media that's identified with me or easily traced back to me I say nothing about Charlie Kirk. Lemmy, on the other hand...
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 361d
No one is forcing me to say nice things about him at work. I just can't openly talk trash about him at my job, which means I say nothing. Even without being in a government job, don't most people avoid politics in the work place anyway? I'm here on Lemmy because my comments can't be linked to my actual life and job.
Sc00ter@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 360d
Right? We have 1 guy at work who wears his politics on his sleeve. Even people who agree with him avoid him in the office because theres no place for that. The only people i talk politics with are people ive worked with for over 10 years and we have an outside of work friendship
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 360d
Pastor Howard-John Wesley on Charlie Kirk's death.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 360d
merc@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 360d
IMO it's fully decorated to say "I was taught that if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, don't say anything. For that reason, I will not be talking about Charlie Kirk."
SARGE@startrek.website · 6 pts · 360d
MisterOwl@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 360d
Bonus points for allowing us to read that in Miles' voice.
wheezy@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 360d
Jobs under capitalism are just wage slavery/servitude. The "privileges" you are allowed will change with time or workers movements. But the relationship of exploitation hasn't changed here. The level of control in the existing exploitative relationship is what is changing. It's the relationship of capitalism evolving into what we call fascism.
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 360d
It doesn’t have to be good good. Just good enough to keep your chronically ill child insured.
butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 357d
Fair point but if you're a licensed professional you probably don't have the ability to publicly say whatever you think. Fuck me for enjoying my chosen profession, apparently.
Weirdfish@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 361d
If my company is looking at my Lemmy posts all I can say is what a huge waste of time and resources.
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 361d
There's a concerted effort by a group of trolls/facists to scrape the web then doxx the commenters and have meemaw and pop pop call customer service crying.
Or to directly contact C suite in cases where that's possible.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -5 pts · 361d
There’s indeed that, and liberals comfortable with fash praxis so long as they can reinvest their pensions.
I’ve gotten banned from multiple communities in lemmy for ousting how comfortable they are sending folks to deathcamps, when they literally have an ICE facility they can easily dismantle.
When even asked for the modicum adverse compliance, they refuse even that.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 13 pts · 361d
Not you, though. You're too important to the Revolution(tm) to risk in such minor actions, amirite?
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -7 pts · 361d
It is precisely because I was forced anarchist praxis through poverty that I risk my life everyday to ensure liberals liberate folks whenever they can, yet when push comes to shove, who shoots first?
PugJesus@piefed.social · 11 pts · 361d
Not you, apparently.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -3 pts · 361d
Are you saying Japan has an ICE facility that I need to dismantle, or that you're unable to organize a dismantling operation on your yard?
PugJesus@piefed.social · 10 pts · 361d
It would be pretty astounding if you were unaware of the abuses inflicted by the Japanese government on migrants, yes.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 360d
By your standards, are you saying that I should blame all japanese people during WW2 for failing to stop the imperialist japanese government from invading my ancestral homeland (China) and committing looting, rapes, and massacres?
(Not that I blame them, but that's what your logic suggests I should do.)
Oh btw, your country is still downplaying the Nanjing Massacre. 🤔
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -1 pts · 360d
Did I say all folks of a population, or a subset of folks not doing a modicum part of their supposed stance?
My downvoters exemplified my thesis, by even refusing become a group to dismantle a single facility. Where there anti-imperialists factions then? Heck yeah, and we got massacred. Do I blame them for failing, heck no. But do I blame comfortable liberals when they didn't even bother to dearrest one fellow abductee you bet I do.
I have nuance. My downvoters don't. They are satisfied with deathcamps, and won't lift a single finger to save anyone.
Btw, it hurts me more to remind me of the 南京事件 because my parents were victims. So yes, I am a living proof to be anti oppression every single time. Not lifting fingers to save folks is wrong.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 1 pts · 359d
You've already established that you're a supporter of fascism, pal. You haven't dismantled a single fascist facility in your own country.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -1 pts · 359d
I am a single Hokkaidian, in a single island.
You have plenty of time in lemmy sabotaging alliances instead of making a ICE dismantling campaign. It’s been 24 hours. Do your part.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 1 pts · 359d
You're on one of the largest islands of the fascist regime, and you still won't bother dismantling a fascist facility?
Wow. You must be not simply complicit with the fascist regime, but actively supporting it.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 44 pts · 360d
Why can't people comment without their name being attached? Just spew your opinion on Reddit or Lemmy under a pseudonym.
For instance, my name isn't really Barney Piccolo. I could say anything I want, and my boss could never connect it to my real name.
Well, mine could, because I'm self-employed, but my boss fully agrees with my political positions.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 360d
"I don't have anything to hide" made it acceptable for social media apps to ask for a video of you holding your photo-id when adding username.
I am not even exagerating facebook apparently wants 3 selfies from certain angles in video format and autodetects fake-sounding usernames.
sausager@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 359d
My last name is also a word and FB won't let me make an account. I don't want to make one, I deleted mine a while ago, but I wanted to make one for my dog 8 years ago and found out I couldn't because of my last name. No one should be using SM with a real name
HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 360d
To hell with that shit.
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 360d
Well, they're coming for anonymity as well. The UK identification laws could be used to collect data on theoretically anonymous social media accounts, as it applies to any website that could possibly show a child something "inappropriate", which iirc, includes not just porn but what they consider support for whatever they define as terrorism.
GOP reps have been pushing for similar ID/age checks for a while.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 8 pts · 360d
Nice try, but I know exactly where Piccolo resides and it's next to the hyperbolic time chamber! I have Dende fire your ass!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 360d
allthesesquaresmakeacircleallthesesquaresmakeacircleallthesesquaresmakeacircleMagnum@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 360d
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 360d
To be fair, I got permabanned on reddit for saying Charlie Kuck deserved what happened to him.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 35 pts · 361d
This is why you shouldn’t have social media under your real name lol
ohellidk@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 360d
Yeah I'd probably be in a lot of trouble now if I were to. It's kind of ironic, because the right used to bitch and moan about the left "canceling everything and limiting free speech". Who's doing that now?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 360d
They always have engaged in cancel culture. But it only bothered them when it was against them.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 4 pts · 361d
srsly. I never even did. And anyhow, make a sock puppet.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 361d
I probably should but at this point it’s been so long I’m not sure it even matters anymore.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 360d
The idea that people ever say anything on the Internet that the whole world can see, and do it in their own name, seems ridiculous to me.
If something is in my real name, it's only for work purposes, like say Linked In. And in that case I'm only ever posting there if I need a job or something.
I wouldn't talk about my favourite sports team, let alone anything political, if it were in my own name.
Busyvar@jlai.lu · 30 pts · 360d
I am not from USA, upvote and i will say it for you
Busyvar@jlai.lu · 10 pts · 360d
Magasphere poisoned public debate far before Kirk's death.
Busyvar@jlai.lu · 10 pts · 360d
Kirk deserves it
Busyvar@jlai.lu · 8 pts · 360d
Nobody needs to hurt far right, they self-regulate with guns.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 360d
eh i'll say it anyway kirk was a weenie
Busyvar@jlai.lu · 6 pts · 360d
Crooks and Robinson are just grumpy Reps, but Donald can't ear it.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 28 pts · 360d
Every dead fascist is a cause for celebration! I hope the next corpse is orange-faced.
Naich@lemmings.world · 26 pts · 360d
I don't care. Fuck Charlie Kirk. If you agree but don't want to be a target of fascists, just upvote this.
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 360d
FYI upvotes on Lemmy are public.
Naich@lemmings.world · 8 pts · 360d
It's definitely not a trap.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 360d
Comment on Kirk all you want. I’ve tried.
There is absolutely no way logic, reason, history, or even the man’s own awful words that will penetrate the thick, fact-resistant, hate-filled skulls of the right. They want blood, they make up completely wild BS about the “violence” of the left, and they don’t want to hear anything about any other shootings that right wingers did.
SunSunFuego@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 360d
my whole company laughed at his death :3
i love yurop
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 360d
Surprised they knew who he was
scapegarced@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 360d
The americans were really quick to tell us
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 360d
It's not that hard to keep your social media separate from your actual identity. I mean, I'm not posting anything they could use against me on my fucking Facebook. And all my other social media doesn't lead to my real identity in any way.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 360d
I deleted facebook Jan 2025 and scrubbed everything that was there. Same with reddit. I have a tiktok account just so I can watch videos but post nothing.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 361d
Uhhhhhh if you have mainstream social media and are posting on it, I'm sorry but I have no sympathy.
Get off the apps and profit driven social media! It's melting your brain. Plus you are giving money to the absolute worst people ever.
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 360d
The woke right is really punching thier own nuts
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 361d
This is the definition of political violence. The right would never settled for being silenced this way.
FuckFascism@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 360d
shiroininja@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 361d
tehn00bi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 359d
😵💫
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -3 pts · 361d
!DefundFascism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
We hope you come around Washedupcynic, otherwise your continued compliance is self evident support for fascism.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 361d
I'm participating in protests outside of work, I write and call federal reps, (because I am not allowed to lobby the state reps I work for, ethics and all,) I donate to wikipedia, ACLU, and other organizations that protect our constitutional rights. I boycott companies that support Trump and right wingers, to the absolute frustration of my household. My, "we can't shop there, we can't buy that product," is met with tons of eye rolling and teeth gnashing. My rebuttal is always, is saving even $1 worth our freedoms? I work for democrats in the state government, so I'm busting my balls doing my job to the best of my ability to support the people on the front line that oppose much of this fascism. I'm doing all I can, but unless someone is willing to step up and pay me a salary and benefits for further activism, I can't leave my job. If I'm going to die for my beliefs, it will be when things devolve enough that our final choice is to take up arms. I don't want to own a gun, but getting to that point means I need the disposable income to purchase one in the first place.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -5 pts · 361d
Hey I sympathize. But income means nothing when the despot owns all your political resources. If the fascist GOP have all the guns, and you don't, I am sorry you're ill prepared to combat your enemies.
As an anarchist, I’ve had to fight tooth and nail to protect my comrades. We lost a lot of good people too, doing good work. And the 🇺🇲 has killed them, one by one. There are times I feel hopeless too, but I think about my kids, and that of others, and envision a future they shouldn't be oppressed, or raped. It reminds me everyday I must fight for others, and never give up on liberty (the true word).
So I urge you to take time, rethink your strategies, and look up the actually strategies that liberated us from British Monarchism. Then the French ones, Spanish ones, etc., to now Brazil, Nepal, Thailand, Taiwan, Mexico, Indonesia, etc..
I pray you see their successes, and practice them.
PugJesus 🧵 seems eager to help. DM him, since he’s 🇺🇲. I am not.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 7 pts · 361d
Ah, yes, the well-known ongoing US war against Japanese anarchists.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -5 pts · 361d
Is this an admission you're unaware of 🇺🇲 abductions of 🇯🇵 civs, or blatant denial?
PugJesus@piefed.social · 6 pts · 361d
Linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident , wherein American soldiers were prosecuted in Japanese court over a rape they committed, as proof of the US waging war against Japanese anarchists.
Christ.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · -2 pts · 361d
We got more, if you are willing.
But I feel you're here to oppress actual alliance. Feel free to do whatever you feel most liberal to act on.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 4 pts · 361d
Again, an incident of rape by an American that is prosecuted by Japanese courts. The idea that that is some sort of evidence of a war against Japanese anarchists is lunacy.
That you posted a link to the same incident with three different sources to make it appear like you were presenting different incidents is also quite pathetic.