Hawaiians unite to buy back land from billionaire in a move never seen before
https://www.sfgate.com/hawaii/article/hawaiians-organize-buy-land-back-from-billionaire-21039366.php
https://www.sfgate.com/hawaii/article/hawaiians-organize-buy-land-back-from-billionaire-21039366.php
33 Comments
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 107 pts · 325d
How fucking sad that you can buy 90k acre for personal ownership. There is no reason any one person should own that much land.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 65 pts · 325d
It particularly infuriates me whenever I see someone claim that taxing billionaires would remove their incentive to participate in the economy. As though they’re going to say “if I work this year I’ll only be able to afford 40,000 acres, guess I’ll shut the company down”.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 325d
Fuck those lies
theherk@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 325d
I think land ownership itself is one of the big mistakes we made as a species.
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 323d
Where i live it personal land owners cut off access to water ways. There is a river not 5 minutes from my house however I cant access it cause it's all private land. Pretty sad
RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 324d
It seems inevitable to me given how territorial people are. Not just people, other animals too. Like even chimps have different groups that control different territory.
theherk@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 324d
Yes, but they don’t own it. Territory has to be used and protected. Ownership has some implication that even if no longer used, it is still “mine” and not the community’s. IDK, tough to see what could be as that branch in the development of civilization is so far back. Rutger Bregman has a segment about this in Humanity.
minorkeys@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 325d
Capitalism claims to be about needs but it's really just about the wants of the wealthy.
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 325d
And the stupid that believe they will be equal at some point.
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 325d
Especially in a small island chain.
ScrambledEggs@lazysoci.al · 105 pts · 325d
Buy back? Kick the billionaire out.
andyburke@fedia.io · 56 pts · 325d
Sounds like a time for eminent domain.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 325d
The billionaire doesn’t even live there, he lives in Hong Kong.
hayvan@feddit.nl · 14 pts · 325d
How about, just ignoring the ownership then.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 325d
Great way to start a war with China!
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 325d
And?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 324d
Number of times China has invaded or armed right-wing militias or factions to put a puppet in place because they nationalized a natural resource: 0.
They would certainly try to sue the US in an international court that the US doesn't recognize, but lmao.
P1nkman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 323d
The US would recognize them if the US won.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 323d
You would think, but the US basically left the WTO it basically controlled during Trump pt I
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 325d
punkwalrus@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 325d
The US National Park service frowns on people tossing anything into the volcanos. But the deep, deep ocean has no enforceable jurisdiction.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 325d
It worked for a group of them up near the Titanic.
memfree@lemmy.ml · 74 pts · 325d
Same basic problem is on all the islands. Read the fictionalized story The Descendants (or see movie of same name).
It sounds like Hawaii should institute a land use law where squatters on lands of absent landlords could claim ownership by working said land. I know they have something like that already because there was another lawsuit where developers purposely built on someone else's land, then sued the property owner for trying to 'steal' the luxury building they built by 'mistake' such that all she could argue was that they tear the whole thing down.
I am heartened by the last line, which is labeled as "Pakui’s Prophecy" (emphasis mine):
BJ_and_the_bear@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 325d
I agree with what you write. I am a bit skeptical they will ever raise the $260 million asking price. More drastic measures may be required. Hopefully they will get some public support
Regardless, I wish them luck in their endeavor
P.S.
Fuck Larry Ellison
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 325d
I would assume if you put land up for sale and it didn't sell for asking price for a decade, they could probably offer a lot less hopefully.
BJ_and_the_bear@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 65 pts · 325d
Can't they just write a special law and annex the land? Ya know, sort of, like, how the US
stole, I mean, um, got, Hawaii in the first place?porksnort@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 325d
Yeah, when the uber-rich write the laws in the first place, playing ‘fair’ and doing a direct purchase is a suckers move. Just take it back.
MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 324d
Ikr. "Hawaiians unite to give billionaire more money"
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 323d
They're a giving people, the Hawaiians. A great match for taking people.
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 325d
apenstaartje@lemmy.cafe · 17 pts · 325d
Billionaire decides not to sell.
Billionaire doubles price—gets rich off the poor, again.
Shitty move, Hawaii.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 323d
And the billionaires still win somehow
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 325d
Dole food company eyeing this
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 325d
If this Hong Kong company owns 1/3 of Molokai, Dole must own the other 2/3.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 323d
This is bullshit, eminent domain has been used for a lot less worthy causes. The guy’s been absent for a decade, it’s rundown, not developed, abandoned buildings, looks like a hazard to the community.