He may be a member of the Republican party but if you just look at his record as governor, you'd probably guess he's a Democrat. Pro choice, trans rights, thoroughly anti Trump, and even a lot of his tax cuts seem to prioritize relief for the working poor rather than the leech investor class.
Also, this is anecdotal but I've spent some time in Vermont and the conservatives there who I met were by and large reasonable, open-minded, and anti-Trump (there were a couple of exceptions but nowhere is perfect).
If you think Seattle's race relations are on the same level or even close to any red state then I sincerely doubt you've ever left Seattle or been to a red state.
There are racist people literally everywhere but not everywhere makes a culture out of being racist.
I lived in Texas most of my life. I wouldn't say race relations in seattle are as life threatening as they were capable of being in Texas but I would say racism is just as common.
From my observations, and from what I have been told from people of this group in seattle, mostly african americans. You'd have to hear from other marginalized groups for more info as I am not familiar with their experience. It's less of the explicitly violent and threatening racism you see in the south and more of the "you're so articulate" style of racism. Lots of pearl clutching and car door locking if you know what I mean.
That's the kind I'm used to, having grown up in that area. It's shitty, but has it changed in the last ten years? My area was north Seattle, where it's always been an issue.
I'm a couple hours north of Seattle, and the PNW is crawling with the Proud Boy type. I was doing memory care for people with downs syndrome and dementia, and we had to get the cops involved because somebody was prowling around the facility with a rifle slung over his back during the first trump presidency.
It's the same problems it's always had, but trump has deffo turned the volume up.
Yeah? Sounds like that's where people on the right side are needed, then.
Portland is a great city. I've been living in the UK for almost 4 years now and I've never been to a bookshop as good as Powell's, and the food there is at least twice as good as it ought to be, for what they charge.
I feel like if you think Seattle fits the description of around trees that you just haven't ever been around trees before lol. It doesn't mean a couple sadly embedded in the sidewalk it means like as far as you can see
Perhaps you think I meant south of Lake Union. Understandable mistake. In north Seattle you can't sneeze without getting a tree wet. I spent most of my time in those parts.
I grew up just north of Seattle in Bothell only just recently moved out to the coast bit south of Aberdeen I have learned the meaning of tree lol. If I stand the top a large elevation I struggle to find buildings my vision is nothing but trees and Hills I feel like that's more what the post is talking about.
I live surrounded by tree as far as the eye can see in all directions, it's very much republican County though lol
I live near Asheville and fucking hell you are not kidding. The price creep has spread out in a 60 mile radius and just keeps getting worse. I can't even afford to live in my hometown anymore.
Depends on the area. North Central WA for example is lots of Republicans but lots of Hippies too. I remember hearing an elderly granola looking lady complaining to her friend that the feds busted her whole grow-op. Southern Oregon can be like that: MAGA on one property but the Neighbors are Deadheads wearing tie dye
Oregon was originally founded as an all-white state. The PNW has lots of racists and they all live in the stix since they think Portland and Seattle are portals to Hell.
And as far as the Northeast is concerned, I think only Vermont has rural areas that aren't MAGA.
East of the cascades it's all racism. But to the west I didn't encounter it much. But that may just be an anecdotal comparison to the actual shit holes I have lived in where racism thrived rather than lurked.
Not always true, Kent (home of Kent State University) is bright red. I live a little ways south of Kent and I drive thru there a few times a year to visit a friend, every time I go through there it's maga merch everywhere.
I want to complain about the percentage of freshman and sophmore CS majors that are hardcore right-wingers because of Musk and Zukerberg and gamergate.
Idk about the Washington part but the Oregon part would be Jefferson, so not exactly progressive, until you hit the Willamette valley which I've never been to but assume it's like the central valley here in CA and full of the most annoying conservatives constantly complaining about the big cities.
Eugene is in the Wallamette Valley and is a historically progressive city (despite it's origins), especially for LGBTQ+ people and communities. It's home to the University of Oregon which has a fairly diverse student body and faculty. Lots of "everybody is welcome" signs in shop windows, "hate has no home here" signs in people's yards.
Hop across the river and you're in Springfield, which is another story. Kind of a Tale of Two Cities thing. Much less wealth along with all the problems that tend to follow.
There's some spots in the big nyc parks where you're surrounded by trees and can pretend you're not in a big city. That's all I've got.
Outside the city it gets surprisingly conservative sometimes. I knew someone who had family north of Albany, and their neighbor flew a confederate flag. Probably a maga flag now.
From my experience in Slovenia, there are many Janezek fans and chauvinists everywhere but the capital (Ljubljana). In my whole life I met two people, who I consider actual leftists (excluding myself), one is my high school sociology professor (we call them professors instead of teachers, probably because most of our school's dildos will never seek decent higher education) and the other one lives in Ljubljana (hm).
But for some reason, we still have a government majority of mostly fanatics, who call themselves center left (they still did some competent things even if they are the democrats of Slovenia), the right wing party and their fans, with a minority of the actual left, who are still loosing popularity.
Edit: This is my shitty unnecessary rant I started, because I wanted to mention, that no country is actually different. Most people are sadly very right wing and the leftists and minorities can't really do anything about our rights being taken away, because the 200 year old laws still aren't updated to accommodate us.
Mostly cell signal. I have a painter's pole that I put an omni-directional antenna on and an amplifier if need be but, most of the places I find that meet my other criteria (open enough for good solar, not recently logged etc) have a 4 out of 5 bars of either LTE or 5G service which is good enough for my needs. Was thinking about Starlink but can't easily get past the Elon connection...even now that the hardware cost just halved.
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axexrx@lemmy.world · 131 pts · 325d
Vermont?
SassyRamen@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 325d
This is the way.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 325d
Republican governor still, not as solid as you'd think.
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 67 pts · 325d
He may be a member of the Republican party but if you just look at his record as governor, you'd probably guess he's a Democrat. Pro choice, trans rights, thoroughly anti Trump, and even a lot of his tax cuts seem to prioritize relief for the working poor rather than the
leechinvestor class.Also, this is anecdotal but I've spent some time in Vermont and the conservatives there who I met were by and large reasonable, open-minded, and anti-Trump (there were a couple of exceptions but nowhere is perfect).
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 325d
Yeah Vermont is hippie hillbillies
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 324d
State politics are different from national politics. A blue state republican governor can sometimes be more left than a red state democratic governor.
wolfrasin@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 325d
Has a general prejudice against city people.
yakko@feddit.uk · 68 pts · 325d
Seattle, one hopes, is still green and bookish
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 325d
Seattle has its own racism problem unfortunately
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 325d
If you think Seattle's race relations are on the same level or even close to any red state then I sincerely doubt you've ever left Seattle or been to a red state.
There are racist people literally everywhere but not everywhere makes a culture out of being racist.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 325d
I lived in Texas most of my life. I wouldn't say race relations in seattle are as life threatening as they were capable of being in Texas but I would say racism is just as common.
yakko@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 325d
Thanks for letting me know. Haven't been there in a few years, sad to hear it.
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 325d
Against any particular group?
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 325d
From my observations, and from what I have been told from people of this group in seattle, mostly african americans. You'd have to hear from other marginalized groups for more info as I am not familiar with their experience. It's less of the explicitly violent and threatening racism you see in the south and more of the "you're so articulate" style of racism. Lots of pearl clutching and car door locking if you know what I mean.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 26 pts · 325d
Isn't this just universal in America? This sounds like liberal racism, not republicans
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 325d
Yes but it is particularly common in the PNW
yakko@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 325d
That's the kind I'm used to, having grown up in that area. It's shitty, but has it changed in the last ten years? My area was north Seattle, where it's always been an issue.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 325d
I'm a couple hours north of Seattle, and the PNW is crawling with the Proud Boy type. I was doing memory care for people with downs syndrome and dementia, and we had to get the cops involved because somebody was prowling around the facility with a rifle slung over his back during the first trump presidency.
It's the same problems it's always had, but trump has deffo turned the volume up.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 325d
I was going to move to Portland but I hear it's a war zone lol
yakko@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 325d
Yeah? Sounds like that's where people on the right side are needed, then.
Portland is a great city. I've been living in the UK for almost 4 years now and I've never been to a bookshop as good as Powell's, and the food there is at least twice as good as it ought to be, for what they charge.
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 324d
I feel like if you think Seattle fits the description of around trees that you just haven't ever been around trees before lol. It doesn't mean a couple sadly embedded in the sidewalk it means like as far as you can see
yakko@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 324d
Perhaps you think I meant south of Lake Union. Understandable mistake. In north Seattle you can't sneeze without getting a tree wet. I spent most of my time in those parts.
LordKitsuna@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 324d
I grew up just north of Seattle in Bothell only just recently moved out to the coast bit south of Aberdeen I have learned the meaning of tree lol. If I stand the top a large elevation I struggle to find buildings my vision is nothing but trees and Hills I feel like that's more what the post is talking about.
I live surrounded by tree as far as the eye can see in all directions, it's very much republican County though lol
yakko@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 324d
What is this conversation? Seattle has trees. It has really good parks. Is this treemogging? It's obnoxious.
fireweed@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 325d
These places exist, but they are expensive as fuuuuuuuuck
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 325d
I live near Asheville and fucking hell you are not kidding. The price creep has spread out in a 60 mile radius and just keeps getting worse. I can't even afford to live in my hometown anymore.
lengau@midwest.social · 11 pts · 325d
Ann Arbor here. Can confirm.
DrSoap@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 325d
I heard a rumor that a tree grows in Brooklyn.
KiloGex@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 325d
Vermont.
GladiusB@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 324d
And then you're just bored
Idontcare@lemmynsfw.com · 28 pts · 325d
Pacific Northwest and certain parts of the northeast
PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 325d
If you live in the city or directly adjacent this is true, but it gets republican really fast once you get a bit more into the trees.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 325d
Depends on the area. North Central WA for example is lots of Republicans but lots of Hippies too. I remember hearing an elderly granola looking lady complaining to her friend that the feds busted her whole grow-op. Southern Oregon can be like that: MAGA on one property but the Neighbors are Deadheads wearing tie dye
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 325d
Even the cities are starting to get purple
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 325d
Oregon was originally founded as an all-white state. The PNW has lots of racists and they all live in the stix since they think Portland and Seattle are portals to Hell.
And as far as the Northeast is concerned, I think only Vermont has rural areas that aren't MAGA.
baines@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 325d
bunch of rural racists, mixed suburbs at best
Idontcare@lemmynsfw.com · 5 pts · 325d
East of the cascades it's all racism. But to the west I didn't encounter it much. But that may just be an anecdotal comparison to the actual shit holes I have lived in where racism thrived rather than lurked.
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 325d
I traveled all over Oregon and Washington after living in the southeast.
What you say holds true but to a lesser degree than true red areas.
A lot of the people who consider themselves conservative would be relentlessly bullied for being a liberal if they moved to an actual red area.
It's funny because their utopian views of conservative areas mirrored my utopian view of Seattle when I lived in a conservative shit hole.
Phegan@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 325d
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 5 pts · 324d
Man, I miss New England; gonna add living a few years out there, again, to my bucket-list.
VocationConfining@piefed.social · 15 pts · 324d
Outside of a college town.
oppy1984@lemdro.id · 7 pts · 324d
Not always true, Kent (home of Kent State University) is bright red. I live a little ways south of Kent and I drive thru there a few times a year to visit a friend, every time I go through there it's maga merch everywhere.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 324d
I want to complain about the percentage of freshman and sophmore CS majors that are hardcore right-wingers because of Musk and Zukerberg and gamergate.
individual@toast.ooo · 13 pts · 325d
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 325d
Thats the problem, on average rurally living folks tend to be more conservative.
0ops@piefed.zip · 24 pts · 325d
I think they mean really middle of nowhere, as in there's nobody around
Deconceptualist@leminal.space · 3 pts · 325d
So... maybe Wyoming, on the fringes of Yellowstone? Or northern Idaho? Those might be the most sparsely populated forest areas I know about.
I'd say Alaska but it's so remote that basic materials are very expensive.
The Michigan upper peninsula is pretty remote too but I don't think I could handle the winters.
neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 325d
The I-5 corridor of the Pacific Northwest.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 325d
Idk about the Washington part but the Oregon part would be Jefferson, so not exactly progressive, until you hit the Willamette valley which I've never been to but assume it's like the central valley here in CA and full of the most annoying conservatives constantly complaining about the big cities.
Jerkface@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 325d
Eugene is in the Wallamette Valley and is a historically progressive city (despite it's origins), especially for LGBTQ+ people and communities. It's home to the University of Oregon which has a fairly diverse student body and faculty. Lots of "everybody is welcome" signs in shop windows, "hate has no home here" signs in people's yards.
Hop across the river and you're in Springfield, which is another story. Kind of a Tale of Two Cities thing. Much less wealth along with all the problems that tend to follow.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 325d
Live next to some bears, they'll keep the conservatives away.
SARGE@startrek.website · 18 pts · 325d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 325d
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 324d
Rural places has a lot of conservatives, its not just the US.
Clicheallday@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 325d
Atlanta. Just don't go past the perimeter.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 325d
Asheville and Boone NC
humanamerican@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 325d
Those might be nice towns but at this point I'm staying away from any MAGA states, regardless of whether they have islands of sanity in them.
AquaTofana@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 324d
As someone who lived in a deep blue city in Texas for a decade, I can confirm you're making the right decision.
Houston, Austin, and San Antonio are all dope to visit, but 100% not worth living there. And I will never willingly set foot in that state again.
crusa187@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 325d
After hurricane Helene? Good luck!
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 8 pts · 325d
There's some spots in the big nyc parks where you're surrounded by trees and can pretend you're not in a big city. That's all I've got.
Outside the city it gets surprisingly conservative sometimes. I knew someone who had family north of Albany, and their neighbor flew a confederate flag. Probably a maga flag now.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 324d
From my experience in Slovenia, there are many Janezek fans and chauvinists everywhere but the capital (Ljubljana). In my whole life I met two people, who I consider actual leftists (excluding myself), one is my high school sociology professor (we call them professors instead of teachers, probably because most of our school's dildos will never seek decent higher education) and the other one lives in Ljubljana (hm).
But for some reason, we still have a government majority of mostly fanatics, who call themselves center left (they still did some competent things even if they are the democrats of Slovenia), the right wing party and their fans, with a minority of the actual left, who are still loosing popularity.
Edit: This is my shitty unnecessary rant I started, because I wanted to mention, that no country is actually different. Most people are sadly very right wing and the leftists and minorities can't really do anything about our rights being taken away, because the 200 year old laws still aren't updated to accommodate us.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 324d
satanmat@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 324d
Cascadia says “Hello”
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 325d
I am legit having this dilemma now.
ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 325d
Houseless (Van Life) deep in a forest works pretty well for me
frustrated@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 324d
How....do you have internet? Van life seems so appealing but also so scary.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 324d
Cellular or Starlink are your only options, unless you include none (meaning libraries or public wifi).
ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 324d
Mostly cell signal. I have a painter's pole that I put an omni-directional antenna on and an amplifier if need be but, most of the places I find that meet my other criteria (open enough for good solar, not recently logged etc) have a 4 out of 5 bars of either LTE or 5G service which is good enough for my needs. Was thinking about Starlink but can't easily get past the Elon connection...even now that the hardware cost just halved.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 322d
Also "it's hard because it's like how to get out of a place filled with only trees and Republicans?"
Send help.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
The IS is huge so there’s not way you can’t find this location.
NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 324d
The Maryland DC suburbs are some of the nicest parts of the country.