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c/microblogmemes · by carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 348d

framework doesn't rule

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/32868516

::: spoiler Show transcript Screenshot of a Mastodon toot by @ebassi@mastodon.social:

The whole open source community loves Milkshake Laptops, a lovely laptop company that has ethical values! 5 seconds later We regret to inform you the laptop company stans fascists :::

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38 Comments

kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 57 pts · 347d

Which is why you should never think for profit companies are your friend, ethical, worth simping for or let them become part of your identity.

TaterTot@piefed.social · 32 pts · 347d (10 replies)

Sooo... I guess I was outta the loop pretty hard. I just spun up Omarchy on account of all the hype surrounding it, and had just enough time with it to fall in love with the workflow before stumbling on this post.

So does anyone have a recommendation for a good tiling window manager that isn't created by racists, transphobes, mysogonists, or any other kind of bigots? Or is this just a... time to run back to base Arch with KDE sorta day?

Edit: And if you are going to inform me that Arch or KDE is run by or support bigots... can you wait until the weekend? Please?

Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 347d (1 reply)

I like sway. It doesn't get in the way and I don't really need the eyecandy (and there's als sway-fx).

Then, you can create your own workflow with dmenu/rofi (or even use walker, like Omarchy).

Also: check out Bread on Linux's videos. She's so wholesome and chill while keeping the linux spirit real.

TaterTot@piefed.social · 6 pts · 347d

Awesome! I'll check em out!

Both, I mean... Bread on Linux and Sway! Thanks for the recommendations!

crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 347d (1 reply)

sway, niri are both good, different kind of WMs.

TaterTot@piefed.social · 5 pts · 347d

Been looking at Niri, seems really cool. And I greatly appreciate the level of comments in their config files. Can't be sure I'll like the "scrolling wm" style, but only one way to find out! Thanks for the rec!

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 11 pts · 347d (3 replies)

Everyone I know in KDE-land (granted quite a few have moved onto other things now) was always welcoming and inclusive.

And despite Miguel de Icaza (Gnome) being an absolute douche, Ive never known him to be problematic in a right-wing way either.

But thats just what I know, and I don't know everything. But I think youre OK with KDE and Arch.

TaterTot@piefed.social · 3 pts · 347d (2 replies)

Hurray! Thanks!

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 8 pts · 347d (1 reply)

I realize I didnt mention arch... But I'd note there that the sheer quantity of not cis het men running arch is a good indicator IMO.

TaterTot@piefed.social · 4 pts · 347d

Good point, and I'm going to hold on to that. I've been on Arch so long I've forgotten how to spell dnf...

brisk@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 346d

If you do end up back on KDE, Khronkite is a great kwin script for dynamic tiling windows. Not quite as good as Hyprland.

I've played briefly with river but it's a lot less dynamic (at least visually). I haven't found anything that feels as good as Hyprland.

zarkanian@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 345d

AFAIK the folks behind Garuda are cool. I haven't tried the flavor with a tiling window manager (Sway), but standard Garuda is pretty awesome.

undu@discuss.tchncs.de · 31 pts · 347d (2 replies)

For fuck's sake, why can't we have nice things?

ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 58 pts · 347d

Nazis and capitalism, mostly.

dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 347d

We can. It’s just going to cost you your freedom, and loads of money you probably don’t have.

Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 347d (21 replies)

Is there more details?

carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 83 pts · 347d (20 replies)

i’ve linked to more context in the original post

but the TL;DR is:

  • framework has started to financially support open-source project
  • among those projects are hyprland and omarchy, both having ties to the far-right (hyprland’s community is a toxic nazi bar and omarchy is maintained by a loud and proud racist)
  • people were understandably upset at framework for this
  • framework’s response was "nooo you guys, we are apolitical! we are trying to make a big tent! and that includes fascists too, stop being meanies!"
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 347d (19 replies)

I read the links provided in the other thread. This seems to be a bit of an overreaction.

frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 47 pts · 347d (15 replies)

Overreaction is the only tool that works to stop enshittification before it starts.

Lean on Framework. Insist they vet projects before giving them money. There's nothing here that can't be undone.

Pika@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 347d

There's nothing here that can't be undone.

I firmly disagree. Anyone who doesn't actually know what framework is, will see them via a google search on the laptop in passing interest. Anyone who comes across a post like this when researching isn't going to continue further to see if they got better, just like people who make these posts aren't going to go back and change their comments saying otherwise.

Additionally, It's optimistic to say that they should vet projects before giving them money but, chances are this is going to just dissuade them from giving money to projects in the future.

But this is also assuming this actually takes off, Lemmy has been the only area I've even seen the complaints about framework

Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 347d (12 replies)

Let me sum up the reasons.

DHH wrote a blog post on his experience with immigration in the UK. Some people think that makes him a Nazi. He also runs the omarchy distribution.

There was a transphobic post on hyprland‘s Discord, which was unmoderated at the time.

RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 347d (5 replies)

It's not one comment from hyperland, it's an harasement campain that led them to be baned from freedesktop.org and rightfully so.

And the blog post you liked is a rant that there not enough white people in london while supporting the tommy robinson march ( a nazi event ).

frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 347d

Funny how there's already people downplaying how bad it actually is.

Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 347d (3 replies)

I did not like that blog post.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 10 pts · 347d

You sure seem to be defending it a lot though.

WolfLink@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 347d (1 reply)

That blog post is quite racist, or at the very least, xenophobic.

Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 347d
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curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 347d (3 replies)

Why am I not surprised you think that one post is the only issue.

Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 347d (2 replies)

Well, it was the only one that I know of. If you know others, then please share.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 11 pts · 347d

Sure, here's a quote of a comment I made on the other post:

They said a hint of the kind of person, you took that to nazi. There is a lot more up on DHH's blog... including complaining about being called a nazi, btw.

Because, you know.... he's a nazi. Even that "wahhhh" post is just full of nazi talking points.

Edit: Just to be clear, this is not the only example.

https://world.hey.com/dhh/words-are-not-violence-c751f14f

https://world.hey.com/dhh/national-pride-f7aa1e92

https://world.hey.com/dhh/it-s-beginning-to-feel-like-the-80s-in-america-again-68c2708e

https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-parental-dead-end-of-consent-morality-e4e8a8ee

I really don't understand how anyone can say he isn't what he is - a nazi.

unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 347d

Overreaction is the only tool that works to stop enshittification before it starts.

Overreacting can undermine your cause. I don't see how reacting accordingly cannot "stop enshittification before it starts".

kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 27 pts · 347d (1 reply)

Well, out of all projects they funded, they just so happen to mention the nazi one significantly more than the others on Twitter. They like mentioning it a lot.

And it's not an important package or some foundational project.

Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 347d

I agree that these are fringe projects and framework should spend their money on more important ones.

crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 347d

Why is it an overreaction? They mention these weird arch dotfiles so much, people just wanted an answer.

Poxlox@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 346d (1 reply)

This is the same Framework that makes the modular laptops?

WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 346d

And the less-modular desktops, yes.