So Israel is pulling its people out of occupied territory, providing restitution for war crimes and trying and punishing war criminals then right? Right?!
Arguably there are still Israelis occupying Palestinian territory, roving Israeli gangs just murdered a journalist in Gaza, let alone the wider palestine
Those were Palestinians living in Gaza, Doghmush clan. This might be news to you but not all Palestinians in Gaza are happy with the way Hamas governs the area.
Now that Hamas has the ability again, they focus on oppressing Palestinians.
We're talking about a ceasefire here, not peace. Trump is being dumb as usual.
I'd love for the ceasefire to actually succeed this time - hopefully perpetually, leading to actual peace.
But that wouldn't mean Palestine's plight is over - that would only be the beginning for seriously working on a two state solution. And not a master and a vassal state either.
Looking back almost a century, somehow I'm not too optimistic.
The reason your movement doesn't get credibility is because you can't recognize that massacring people because of their ethnicity (what Hamas did) is genocide. If you're claiming that Hamas didn't commit genocide while also claiming Israel has, that requires some serious mental gymnastics to reconcile. But you're not even trying to reconcile the discrepancy in how you consider the the actions of Hamas vs. how you consider the actions of Israel. You feel like if you just shout loud enough, engage in harassment campaigns to intimidate people from discussing the topic, you can control the narrative.
And you can control the narrative in small corners of the internet like this. But then what? You support a violent movement that tortures people to silence dissent. Do you ever ask "are we the baddies?" or do you continue down the dark path without questioning anything?
The war in Gaza has ended and the Middle East is going to “normalize”, Donald Trump said on Sunday as he flew to Israel which was waiting for Hamas to release Israeli hostages as world leaders were gathering to discuss the next steps toward peace.
“The war is over, you understand that,” Trump told reporters onboard Air Force One as he began a flight from Washington DC to Israel.
Asked about prospects for the region, Trump said: “I think it’s going to normalize.“
Isn't Israel a compulsory-service country where all citizens spend a year training as a soldier? Its funny that they're called hostages when captured, not prisoners. Hostages are when you kidnap non-combatants like poor people living without secure food or water ... so exactly the opposite of what they're labeling captives by the invader or the impoverished civilian defenders.
I'll add that from what I've seen, about half of the Israelis get an exemption for various reasons.
(Physical or mental issues, religion - Muslims are exempted by default and almost all ultra-orthodox Jews, pacifists, etc)
45 Comments
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 44 pts · 301d
So Israel is pulling its people out of occupied territory, providing restitution for war crimes and trying and punishing war criminals then right? Right?!
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 300d
Only the first of these are part of the agreement.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 300d
Arguably there are still Israelis occupying Palestinian territory, roving Israeli gangs just murdered a journalist in Gaza, let alone the wider palestine
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 300d
Those were Palestinians living in Gaza, Doghmush clan. This might be news to you but not all Palestinians in Gaza are happy with the way Hamas governs the area.
Now that Hamas has the ability again, they focus on oppressing Palestinians.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 300d
Doesn't seem so cut and dry that the Doghmush are the victims in this one.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 301d
We will see...
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 301d
Agree. It’s way too early for celebration
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com · 15 pts · 301d
Remember when he got covid?
I was happy, but not celebrating just yet
This is the same, although I think he's going to make everything worse for the Palestinians long-term
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 301d
Even 10 years may be too early to say that it's over but we may find out much earlier than this if the opposite is the case
Strider@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
Without explaining details, I could see this go sideways so badly. I hope I'm not right.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 301d
We all know what Trump wants to do with Gaza.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5309695/trump-gaza-video
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 301d
The video with the bearded bellydancers is golden 👌
Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org · 23 pts · 301d
krimson@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 301d
War is done is more accurate. Goals achieved. Ready to build the next Dubai and make some rich people even richer.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 301d
I hear the bones of women and children are great to build the foundations of tourist hotels on.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 18 pts · 301d
We're talking about a ceasefire here, not peace. Trump is being dumb as usual.
I'd love for the ceasefire to actually succeed this time - hopefully perpetually, leading to actual peace.
But that wouldn't mean Palestine's plight is over - that would only be the beginning for seriously working on a two state solution. And not a master and a vassal state either.
Looking back almost a century, somehow I'm not too optimistic.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 300d
I didn’t stop and verify, but I’ve literally just seen a post on here which says that Israel has violated the ceasefire 3 days running at this point.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 301d
Just one more statement of his that will soon be proven wrong.
HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 300d
It didn't take long: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55420933
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 17 pts · 301d
This has been going on for many decades, it's not over.
RaoulDuke@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 300d
Century
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 301d
In the same way the war was over in Western Europe when the Nazis occupied countries.
fluxion@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 301d
Dumbass
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 10 pts · 301d
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 301d
20 on one side, ever half a million on the other.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 8 pts · 301d
At least some of the hostages are still alive to be released.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 10 pts · 301d
Doorbook@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 300d
They literally killed two waving white flags.
Like imagine you survive a bombing, get out, see you fellow soldiers flags, wave to them, and they shoot you.
What amazing that no one talking about it like it never happened...
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 300d
1200 are not alive, they were massacred in a genocidal act by Hamas.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 300d
Not what genocide is and doesn't account for how many Israel killed themselves to prevent being captured
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 300d
The reason your movement doesn't get credibility is because you can't recognize that massacring people because of their ethnicity (what Hamas did) is genocide. If you're claiming that Hamas didn't commit genocide while also claiming Israel has, that requires some serious mental gymnastics to reconcile. But you're not even trying to reconcile the discrepancy in how you consider the the actions of Hamas vs. how you consider the actions of Israel. You feel like if you just shout loud enough, engage in harassment campaigns to intimidate people from discussing the topic, you can control the narrative.
And you can control the narrative in small corners of the internet like this. But then what? You support a violent movement that tortures people to silence dissent. Do you ever ask "are we the baddies?" or do you continue down the dark path without questioning anything?
dubyakay@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 300d
Israel has been exterminating Palestinians since the Nakba. This didn't start on October 7, 2023.
Maybe you should ask your last question from yourself.
modernangel@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 300d
Anything with "trump says" is garbage headlining
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 301d
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 300d
This is just going to be another Korea. They still hate each other and the fighting will pick up again. History will repeat itself, etc.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 300d
I'll believe it when I see it. I have no faith in Israel though.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 301d
So said the speaker!
sudo@programming.dev · 0 pts · 301d
Howany hostages has Israel released?
frongt@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 301d
It says in the article.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 301d
Half a million to go.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 301d
Isn't Israel a compulsory-service country where all citizens spend a year training as a soldier? Its funny that they're called hostages when captured, not prisoners. Hostages are when you kidnap non-combatants like poor people living without secure food or water ... so exactly the opposite of what they're labeling captives by the invader or the impoverished civilian defenders.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 301d
The youngest Israeli hostage taken on 7th of October was less than a year old, I don’t think he already finished his compulsory military service.
Israel is doing despicable things, but let’s not pretend that Hamas is innocent.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 300d
These are the civilian hostages taken by Hamas on the October 7th attack, not Israeli POWs.
Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 301d
I'll add that from what I've seen, about half of the Israelis get an exemption for various reasons.
(Physical or mental issues, religion - Muslims are exempted by default and almost all ultra-orthodox Jews, pacifists, etc)
Linktank@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 301d
Everything is bad faith.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 300d
Far from over! The brothers, Isaac and Ishmael, regrouping to continue their family blood feud over dried rocks.
Doorbook@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 300d
A person from ( Russia , Poland, USA , Iraq, Iran ) is not a brother to a person from Palestine.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 300d
Seems a lot of people here don't want the war to be over.
Ya know you could get together with your activist friends and be happy? You don't actually need to meet each over a shared hatred of people.