The only source cited is a blog which cites a blog + raw acquisition numbers from government data, none of which contain ANY reference to "guided missiles" or "artillery" as the original substack claims.
As best I can tell, this claim was just kind of made up, then referenced by a blog, and now by the daily beast. We're like 3 days out from NYT writing this and referencing this daily beast article.
Fuck this administration for all the illegal and inhuman shit they're doing, but I'm almost certain this is just made up. They definitely have spent a shitload of money on weapons and equipment (bad) but theres no proof they've bought explosives and chemical weapons (beyond pepper spray)
Oh yeah, wouldn't want people mistakenly thinking ICE has a massive weapons budget now. You know what they say, when you've been defeated in a propaganda war, keep debunking bad things about the Gestapo.
Plus the article is mistakenly calling flashbangs warheads and correctly calling tear gas a chemical weapon. Good thing the left has "scientific leftists" like you to stand up for ICE's image... Wouldn't want propaganda against ICE on here. The "scientific left" must defend ICE's image against such propaganda news.
... it's not like ICE have a bigger weapons budget and would have a shitload of flash bangs and tear gas now. But yeah, thans for your correction on terms.
Now people won't see it as much of a problem. Good job from "the left" as usual.
? The articles HEADLINE says "warheads" and the body says "guided missiles", and then cites a source saying "guided missiles" and "artillery". I'm not just disambiguating minutiae, there's a huge difference between buying a flashbang and a fucking guided missile system.
Misinformation is cool as long as it's "our guys" making shit up?
We have so many real things to go after the gestapo for, INLCUDING spending $72 mill on guns and shit, but you're right, we should say they bought tanks and F35s as well. It'll really get this ball rolling.
I wasn't even accusing you of doing anything, but hey, attack me personally to make your point. Makes you look really smart and reliable. No wonder your country is fucked.
It's like I say when people just make stuff up to hate on the US, there's plenty of legitimate reasons to hate on the US. Making up reasons completely delegitimizes your argument and makes it much easier for the opposition to point to the made up thing and say "see, they made THIS up, they must have made it ALL up."
What's worse is I fucking called it, now The Independent is repeating this BS (although the rest of the article is much better at focusing on all the horrendous shit ICE actually is doing, and the guided missiles lie is a single sentence basically), here is the article.
While the majority of the money has been spent on guns and armor for field agents, the outlay has also seen ICE purchase âguided missile warheads and explosive components,â according to Popular Information.
There we go, tracked this particular disinformation live. Next step is a major US outlet like NYT repeating the same "Popular Information states ____". Journalism used to mean actually doing something just just copy/pasting from random blogs online. I doubt they've even pulled the data from the government portal themselves. /sigh
âWhat weâre seeing is a general escalation of violence and the use of excessive force by ICE officers,â Ed Yohnka of ACLU Illinois told NPR recently.
A bigger outlet repeating the same false claim with the same citation doesn't make it more true. Or are you saying you know the claim is made up and its worth posting anyways as propaganda?
CS gas is a bitch and 3/4. It sticks to everything. OC isn't much better. You can be prepared for both with some common sense and gear. 3M makes an Organic Vapor P100 cartridge that will work in a pinch. (3M 60921) You are going to feel it though. If you are using a half-face respirator you need sealed goggles but it's still going to burn your skin. You WILL be exposed. It fucking sticks to everything so don't just jump in a car and drive away or everyone in the car will be snot monsters from mucus world looking like a bukkake film finale. Water, baby shampoo, saline eye wash, and waterproof bags. Best to wear an easily removable outer shell of rainproof material if you think you will be exposed and have some heavy mill nitrile gloves. Remove the shell and place it in the bag and seal it after exposure. Don't take the mask off even if it's filling up with snot and spit until you are clear and for fucks sake dont touch the people who come to help you especially if they are not in protective gear. CS sticks to everything, OC is made to stick to everything, and often has UV dye in it.
Good luck, dont panic you won't die...yet.
Edit: I mentioned the 3M 60921 filters specifically because they are both P100 and OV/AG rated. It has to be all 3 or you will have a bad day. And as stated in the post below, dont open the package until you intend to use them. Sealed, they have a 5-year shelf life from the manufactured date but only 6 months after they are opened.
This is great info! I use the plain jane P100 instead of dust masks all the time.
General respirator info for all my peeps:
3M 6000 half face and 7000 full face series reapirators are where it's at. They're worth the money even if you only ever use it for home repair.
I use one of them with the P100 disks all the time for dust, mold, grinding, drilling into possible asbestos, etc. Also effective against droplet born disease such as coronavirus. The organic vapor cartridge above also does particulate as a P100 (the organic vapor portion has a limited lifespan once opened, IIRC, but the filtration is indefinite). P100 particulate filtering lasts a long time, however, before they clog. Years with normal homeowner use.
Read up on sizing. Most average cis male sized heads will be a large. Average cis female sized head is medium.
If using a half face in an infectious or chemical environment, swim googles will protect your eyes.
Yeah, "warhead" just means it's the armed portion of a device. It's a pretty broad umbrella category with multiple sub-classifications that cover everything from CS gas grenades, to flashbangs, to nukes.
You're only stocked for now. Hope you don't smoke weed because pretty soon it's going to be illegal to own a gun if you do.
Only a fraction of Americans care and only a fraction of Americans own guns who will use them of those that care.
And of that fraction only a fraction of them will be legally allowed to own guns in the near future.
We are frogs and slowly warming water. Unless there is a flash event, we will boil alive and do nothing about it till there is nothing we can do about it (which is already coming up soon).
42 Comments
assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works · 100 pts · 331d
The only source cited is a blog which cites a blog + raw acquisition numbers from government data, none of which contain ANY reference to "guided missiles" or "artillery" as the original substack claims.
As best I can tell, this claim was just kind of made up, then referenced by a blog, and now by the daily beast. We're like 3 days out from NYT writing this and referencing this daily beast article.
Fuck this administration for all the illegal and inhuman shit they're doing, but I'm almost certain this is just made up. They definitely have spent a shitload of money on weapons and equipment (bad) but theres no proof they've bought explosives and chemical weapons (beyond pepper spray)
Triumph@fedia.io · 26 pts · 331d
Thank you for a healthy level of skepticism.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 331d
Almost like it's rage bait by the admin to get angry mobs going.
kingofras@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 331d
This guy controlled opposition
Ancalagon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 331d
Yeah uh we bought weapons. We didn't buy THOSE kind of weapons, but definitely did buy, a shit tonne of weapons. For immigrants đ
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 331d
Oh yeah, wouldn't want people mistakenly thinking ICE has a massive weapons budget now. You know what they say, when you've been defeated in a propaganda war, keep debunking bad things about the Gestapo.
Plus the article is mistakenly calling flashbangs warheads and correctly calling tear gas a chemical weapon. Good thing the left has "scientific leftists" like you to stand up for ICE's image... Wouldn't want propaganda against ICE on here. The "scientific left" must defend ICE's image against such propaganda news.
... it's not like ICE have a bigger weapons budget and would have a shitload of flash bangs and tear gas now. But yeah, thans for your correction on terms.
Now people won't see it as much of a problem. Good job from "the left" as usual.
assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 331d
? The articles HEADLINE says "warheads" and the body says "guided missiles", and then cites a source saying "guided missiles" and "artillery". I'm not just disambiguating minutiae, there's a huge difference between buying a flashbang and a fucking guided missile system.
Misinformation is cool as long as it's "our guys" making shit up?
We have so many real things to go after the gestapo for, INLCUDING spending $72 mill on guns and shit, but you're right, we should say they bought tanks and F35s as well. It'll really get this ball rolling.
I wasn't even accusing you of doing anything, but hey, attack me personally to make your point. Makes you look really smart and reliable. No wonder your country is fucked.
caboose2006@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 331d
It's like I say when people just make stuff up to hate on the US, there's plenty of legitimate reasons to hate on the US. Making up reasons completely delegitimizes your argument and makes it much easier for the opposition to point to the made up thing and say "see, they made THIS up, they must have made it ALL up."
assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 331d
What's worse is I fucking called it, now The Independent is repeating this BS (although the rest of the article is much better at focusing on all the horrendous shit ICE actually is doing, and the guided missiles lie is a single sentence basically), here is the article.
There we go, tracked this particular disinformation live. Next step is a major US outlet like NYT repeating the same "Popular Information states ____". Journalism used to mean actually doing something just just copy/pasting from random blogs online. I doubt they've even pulled the data from the government portal themselves. /sigh
Here's the REAL story, after the made up stuff:
âWhat weâre seeing is a general escalation of violence and the use of excessive force by ICE officers,â Ed Yohnka of ACLU Illinois told NPR recently.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 331d
That'll be the independent article I just posted. Because you can do both propaganda and the truth, there's just rules for how to do so.
You find those rules by dabbling in both.
assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 331d
A bigger outlet repeating the same false claim with the same citation doesn't make it more true. Or are you saying you know the claim is made up and its worth posting anyways as propaganda?
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 331d
Are you asking whether I've personally audited all the weapons caches ICE might conceivably have access to?
I don't even know if you have a face.
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 331d
I mean if you spent 2 minutes looking it up you wouldn't be arguing with people about your blind belief of an article you found online.
https://www.wired.com/story/no-ice-probably-didnt-buy-guided-missile-warheads/
No fully reputable source has reported on it either, so I assume there is some journalistic integrity left.
caboose2006@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 331d
That was my point. Why make bad stuff up about ice when what they're doing is bad enough?
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 331d
I meant to reply to the contrarian that keeps using ad hominem and non sequitur, pardon me if you got caught in the crossfire.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 331d
Trump is in power again BECAUSE of learning how to use propaganda.
You can keep that tool off the table, but that honourable move has a cost attached.
SarcasticMan@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 331d
CS gas is a bitch and 3/4. It sticks to everything. OC isn't much better. You can be prepared for both with some common sense and gear. 3M makes an Organic Vapor P100 cartridge that will work in a pinch. (3M 60921) You are going to feel it though. If you are using a half-face respirator you need sealed goggles but it's still going to burn your skin. You WILL be exposed. It fucking sticks to everything so don't just jump in a car and drive away or everyone in the car will be snot monsters from mucus world looking like a bukkake film finale. Water, baby shampoo, saline eye wash, and waterproof bags. Best to wear an easily removable outer shell of rainproof material if you think you will be exposed and have some heavy mill nitrile gloves. Remove the shell and place it in the bag and seal it after exposure. Don't take the mask off even if it's filling up with snot and spit until you are clear and for fucks sake dont touch the people who come to help you especially if they are not in protective gear. CS sticks to everything, OC is made to stick to everything, and often has UV dye in it.
Good luck, dont panic you won't die...yet.
Edit: I mentioned the 3M 60921 filters specifically because they are both P100 and OV/AG rated. It has to be all 3 or you will have a bad day. And as stated in the post below, dont open the package until you intend to use them. Sealed, they have a 5-year shelf life from the manufactured date but only 6 months after they are opened.
Edit 2: Did I mention CS sticks to everything?
Machinist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 330d
This is great info! I use the plain jane P100 instead of dust masks all the time.
General respirator info for all my peeps:
3M 6000 half face and 7000 full face series reapirators are where it's at. They're worth the money even if you only ever use it for home repair.
I use one of them with the P100 disks all the time for dust, mold, grinding, drilling into possible asbestos, etc. Also effective against droplet born disease such as coronavirus. The organic vapor cartridge above also does particulate as a P100 (the organic vapor portion has a limited lifespan once opened, IIRC, but the filtration is indefinite). P100 particulate filtering lasts a long time, however, before they clog. Years with normal homeowner use.
Read up on sizing. Most average cis male sized heads will be a large. Average cis female sized head is medium.
If using a half face in an infectious or chemical environment, swim googles will protect your eyes.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 17 pts · 331d
Flashbangs are considered warheads? đ¤¨
From the title, I was thinking nukes.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 331d
....the article mentions guided missiles. That is an actual warhead. I saw nothing about flashbangs.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 331d
Yeah, "warhead" just means it's the armed portion of a device. It's a pretty broad umbrella category with multiple sub-classifications that cover everything from CS gas grenades, to flashbangs, to nukes.
dhork@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 331d
Would deploying chemical weapons in US cities be enough to finally get Republicans to rein this shit in? Or will they cheer it on?
Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 331d
You mean like tear gas? The thing banned for warfare by the Geneva Convention but ordinary police routinely use on the average citizen?
Mortoc@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 331d
During the CHAZ protests in Seattle, the cops laid down so much teargas that an infant in my apartment building was hospitalized.
The bastards arenât even trained on how to use their shit properly.
Tujio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 331d
Every woman I know in Seattle had an irregular period that month. Even people who weren't within ten miles of the protests.
ceiphas@feddit.org · 21 pts · 331d
Look what you made me do!!!
Kirp123@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 331d
Lol, no.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 331d
"why did antifa do this?"
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 331d
Because they are the Gestapo.
sbbq@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 331d
Is this what needs to happen for half the country to realize how fucked up things are?
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 331d
They never will, no matter what.
webdox@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 331d
whiwake@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 331d
We will be significantly more complacent and easy to dominate than the average WWII person. None of those guns will be fired at the government.
webdox@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
whiwake@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 331d
Glad you agree
douglasg14b@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 331d
You're only stocked for now. Hope you don't smoke weed because pretty soon it's going to be illegal to own a gun if you do.
Only a fraction of Americans care and only a fraction of Americans own guns who will use them of those that care.
And of that fraction only a fraction of them will be legally allowed to own guns in the near future.
We are frogs and slowly warming water. Unless there is a flash event, we will boil alive and do nothing about it till there is nothing we can do about it (which is already coming up soon).
douglasg14b@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 331d
They have the budget of the Canadian military, and a budget greater than the Israeli military.
5.1 million people in Palestine and 70k deployed Israeli military.
Approximately 1% And look at what became of Palestine.
If you expect 1/100th of the effects here, then ICE has enough budget and resources to make it happen. Guaranteed.