they got cringey outside of it, charlie and danny seems to be the normal ones. cringey as in the plastic surgery is very jarring to fans. plus , thier them trying to stay in the hollywood inner circle(society). rob trying mooch off to whoever was more famous than he is, he just come off as very desperate, pluss waffling around steroid usage in his seasons. plus changing his name to rob mac.
i think they heard fans response to thier plastic surgery and kinda dialed back up. but in the recent awards show they were hosting they went backwards. kinda feel bad for them, because newer generation viewers dont know who these people are.
And also has nothing to do with the flu in the next pic, or covid.
It is just showing how the mentality in the first panel can increase the chances of the outcome in the second panel.
He wants there to be children in his country who are not vaccinated => some of these children contract illnesses they are not vaccinated against => these children pass these illnesses onto adults like Howerton
between him and ROBs midlife crisis, im not surprised. glenn and rob was doing everything to stay in hollywoods innercircle, aka they did alot of cosmetic procedure. ROB specifially had so much he looks different, and been associating with RYAN reynolds, and a football star that retired, and recently changed his name to rob mac. and the whole PEDs controversy with rob he used for season 13 and on.
I'm glad I'm an unmitigated failure in life these days. All of my bad takes, like tears in the rain. All my stupidly misinformed opinions on things I don't know enough about, no one listens enough to hear them.
I'm glad we've got the first ten or so seasons of Sunny, and I'm also intrigued to know how much was a bit and how much was real...
I'm generally pro vaccine. But I can understand why people don't trust the private pharma companies in the US. They have traded trust for profit. Just another reason medicine shouldn't be controlled by the profiteering ultra rich.
An epidemic preventing vaccine should be open to anyone that wants to use and copy it with the highest level of testing and oversight. Instead you have private companies making more money than god that will cut every corner if they think they can get away with it.
I trust general doctors to be able to fix things like a broken arm, do test for known ailments ect. But I don't trust them at all when it comes recommending treatment if the treatment is a pill being pushed.
And this is due to multiple personal experiences. the worst being given a near unlimited prescription opioids as a teenager after a car accident without being told how addictive they are. I will never get those years back and I was told it was safe. And other pills where side effects have cause life changing levels of harm I have still not recovered from years later and they never once went over them before giving them out. I can go on and on about all the times I've been mislead doctors.
The idea of the holy medical professional propaganda is such bs and stale at this point a quick Google search will show examples of how device and pharmaceutical companies routinely pay doctors through loopholes and they spend BIllions doing so.
The doctors and research scientists that are developing and constantly improving the technology that allows vaccines to happen is an entirely different group of people from general practitioners.
The person at the urgent care clinic down the road isn't also actively researching mRNA vaccines, that's not how any of this works.
It's crazy "logic" to distrust academia because you had a shitty doctor.
I fully agree that the people doing the work are doing legit science and improving the world, and more than I ever have by doing so. All I am saying is I understand why people don't trust the corporate companies paying the salary of those scientists.
Those companies will cut corners every chance they can if they think they can get away with it. My problem is with the profiteering ultra rich that push things out they know are harmful. I'm not saying vaccines are. I'm saying the same companies that own the vaccines are untrustworthy.
On top of that the idea that all of academia is holy and not controlled in the slightest by corporate greed is absurd.
Conservatives have done so much damage by somehow convincing (tens of?) millions of people that academia is like organized crime or some shit. Like they're shaking down pharmaceutical companies, and lying about research for extra cash on the side. It's so fucking stupid.
I think part of the problem is there are real fraud issues in academia and research, but your average American is woefully, what I'd call aggressively, science illiterate. Since they aren't familiar with even the basics behind processes like funding and peer review, their personal narrative seems to substitute whatever kinds of fraud they're already familiar with, generally theft or bribes, despite it making no goddamn sense.
Even worse, they're conditioned to be actively hostile towards it. Despite taking advantage of the fruits of all that research on a daily basis without even thinking twice about it.
So many of them take it as a personal affront if anyone even suggests that they might know more than them about something.
Ex-wife was an OR nurse. The drug company reps would hang around the hospital and take everyone out to party after work. They'd sling free samples by day, $1,000 bar/restaurant tabs at night, all expensed. And they made bank.
You're splitting hairs. When I go to the doc who says, "Look. I took money for a different drug from a different company, not for vaccines from this company," I'm more than little disgusted. So I can give a little understanding to someone who doesn't have the scientific background like I do when they dismiss the whole system as corrupt.
Do all scientists get universal bribe income (UBI) to hush up? Do they get bonus bribes when it's their turn to fabricate results? Holy shit, is this inadvertently the world's biggest UBI experiment? Who is being bribed not to release that data?
How do these bribes work? Do they specifically bribe researchers and all members of their peer review committees? Do they bribe lab assistants to ignore reported findings incongruent with their observed lab results?
How do these pharmaceutical reps keep other scientists from alerting the public after analyzing this fraudulent data or replicating similarly fraudulent experiments?
There are over nine million full-time researchers employed in science R&D worldwide. Even with what must be at least a trillion dollars in annual bribes, someone's bound to get a little drunk and say too much. Why don't any of them or the tens of millions of support staff blow the whistle on the whole deal?
OK so let me get this straight: You believe that the overwhelming majority of scientists with intimate knowledge of mRNA vaccine technology are ALL part of a conspiracy that involves them all accepting bribes from big pharma in order to lie about its safety?
That's really just not how any of it works.
Even if it did exist in any capacity, there's no possible way that it would be able to be kept secret with so many people involved, not to mention the fact that there are still scientists with integrity (I would say most of them, in actuality) who would blow the whistle immediately.
I think you need to take a step back and try to take a critical look at the reasons why you would believe such a thing, and how you came to that conclusion. Because it has zero basis in reality, and the results of this kind of thinking literally leads to people (primarily children) dying or being otherwise impaired for life, for absolutely no reason.
People are legit asking me and methylene blue when I start talking about health science stuff. I immediately drop what I'm taking about and say "NO!". I mean just like at the people hawking it! Do you really think liver king is running in all 3 cylinders?
"it's about the freedom to choose" reminds me of that scene in Thank You For Smoking (2005) where he explains how to defend the blatantly indefensible.
Honestly, it should be required viewing in school.
I know communications classes on the college level (or mine lol) are basically studies on the tobacco industry, but we should really be teaching that to younger people.
Especially with the access to information, disinformation, and every other kind that's out there.
65 Comments
orionsbelt@midwest.social · 58 pts · 272d
is charlie day the only rational one now?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 271d
danny devito is true to himself. charlie did change slightly but not to extent of rob, kaitlyn and glenn.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 16 pts · 272d
Always was...
GreenDust@lemmings.world · 15 pts · 272d
Is there something I don't know about Danny Devito?
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 271d
He started blasting.
Rusty@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 271d
He married the waitress, so yes.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 271d
charlie has been dating her for a while, or at least known her beyond ISAIP. they were in reno 911 i believe.
Coldus12@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 271d
What about the others? (I do not follow them outside Sunny - what are the others' weird takes?)
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 271d
they got cringey outside of it, charlie and danny seems to be the normal ones. cringey as in the plastic surgery is very jarring to fans. plus , thier them trying to stay in the hollywood inner circle(society). rob trying mooch off to whoever was more famous than he is, he just come off as very desperate, pluss waffling around steroid usage in his seasons. plus changing his name to rob mac.
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 271d
The plastic surgery is very offputting. It's gotten better in the newest season but it's still uncanny.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 270d
i think they heard fans response to thier plastic surgery and kinda dialed back up. but in the recent awards show they were hosting they went backwards. kinda feel bad for them, because newer generation viewers dont know who these people are.
Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 272d
I can't tell if this is just an extended bit.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 272d
It was 2015 for the tweet, who knows about the picture.
But SB277 was to remove "personal belief" as a reason to not get kids vaccinated for public school or daycare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Senate_Bill_277
So, definitely stupid and uninformed. But that was way before covid and a shit ton of Hollywood actors had the same opinions.
And also has nothing to do with the flu in the next pic, or covid.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 11 pts · 272d
It is just showing how the mentality in the first panel can increase the chances of the outcome in the second panel.
He wants there to be children in his country who are not vaccinated => some of these children contract illnesses they are not vaccinated against => these children pass these illnesses onto adults like Howerton
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 272d
Man, I want it to be 2015 too...
But it's not.
lama@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 272d
Sadly it seems like it's serious
Discover@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 272d
Glenn did have some questionable takes on their podcast
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 16 pts · 272d
I have not watched it, but he seems to be into Hollywood pseudoscience
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 271d
between him and ROBs midlife crisis, im not surprised. glenn and rob was doing everything to stay in hollywoods innercircle, aka they did alot of cosmetic procedure. ROB specifially had so much he looks different, and been associating with RYAN reynolds, and a football star that retired, and recently changed his name to rob mac. and the whole PEDs controversy with rob he used for season 13 and on.
SatyrSack@quokk.au · 3 pts · 271d
I found it odd that he was credited as "Rob Mac" on every episode in season 17 except the finale.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 271d
thats wierd? i havnt watched the later seasons. and his reasoning for his name change is also kinda wierd.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 271d
funny hes against vaccine shots, but he was ok with botox in season 13-14, on his face.
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 272d
I'm glad I'm an unmitigated failure in life these days. All of my bad takes, like tears in the rain. All my stupidly misinformed opinions on things I don't know enough about, no one listens enough to hear them.
I'm glad we've got the first ten or so seasons of Sunny, and I'm also intrigued to know how much was a bit and how much was real...
Does Charlie drink paint?
Sergio@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 272d
tears in the rain
roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 271d
Now I'm imagining some unfortunate structural engineering student on Adderall going down an eight hour rabbit hole due to this redirect.
Sergio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 271d
Or an equally wired cyberpunk fan adopting a new fascination with civil engineering.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 271d
that would be dax shepard he eats the paint chips
Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 272d
I'm generally pro vaccine. But I can understand why people don't trust the private pharma companies in the US. They have traded trust for profit. Just another reason medicine shouldn't be controlled by the profiteering ultra rich.
An epidemic preventing vaccine should be open to anyone that wants to use and copy it with the highest level of testing and oversight. Instead you have private companies making more money than god that will cut every corner if they think they can get away with it.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 33 pts · 272d
Sure, but that doesn't mean you don't trust the actual doctors and scientists who are not on the payroll
Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 271d
I trust general doctors to be able to fix things like a broken arm, do test for known ailments ect. But I don't trust them at all when it comes recommending treatment if the treatment is a pill being pushed.
And this is due to multiple personal experiences. the worst being given a near unlimited prescription opioids as a teenager after a car accident without being told how addictive they are. I will never get those years back and I was told it was safe. And other pills where side effects have cause life changing levels of harm I have still not recovered from years later and they never once went over them before giving them out. I can go on and on about all the times I've been mislead doctors.
The idea of the holy medical professional propaganda is such bs and stale at this point a quick Google search will show examples of how device and pharmaceutical companies routinely pay doctors through loopholes and they spend BIllions doing so.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 271d
The doctors and research scientists that are developing and constantly improving the technology that allows vaccines to happen is an entirely different group of people from general practitioners.
The person at the urgent care clinic down the road isn't also actively researching mRNA vaccines, that's not how any of this works.
It's crazy "logic" to distrust academia because you had a shitty doctor.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 271d
Shit does happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_misconduct_incidents
Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 270d
I fully agree that the people doing the work are doing legit science and improving the world, and more than I ever have by doing so. All I am saying is I understand why people don't trust the corporate companies paying the salary of those scientists.
Those companies will cut corners every chance they can if they think they can get away with it. My problem is with the profiteering ultra rich that push things out they know are harmful. I'm not saying vaccines are. I'm saying the same companies that own the vaccines are untrustworthy.
On top of that the idea that all of academia is holy and not controlled in the slightest by corporate greed is absurd.
village604@adultswim.fan · -3 pts · 272d
Those companies bribe doctors and scientists all the time.
Still not a good reason to be antivax, though.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 271d
As a scientist, my colleagues and I are still waiting for our bribes.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 271d
Conservatives have done so much damage by somehow convincing (tens of?) millions of people that academia is like organized crime or some shit. Like they're shaking down pharmaceutical companies, and lying about research for extra cash on the side. It's so fucking stupid.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 271d
I think part of the problem is there are real fraud issues in academia and research, but your average American is woefully, what I'd call aggressively, science illiterate. Since they aren't familiar with even the basics behind processes like funding and peer review, their personal narrative seems to substitute whatever kinds of fraud they're already familiar with, generally theft or bribes, despite it making no goddamn sense.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 271d
Even worse, they're conditioned to be actively hostile towards it. Despite taking advantage of the fruits of all that research on a daily basis without even thinking twice about it.
So many of them take it as a personal affront if anyone even suggests that they might know more than them about something.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 271d
As a prof, can I have a bit on the side?
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 271d
Absolutely, you can have half of whatever I get!
shalafi@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 272d
Ex-wife was an OR nurse. The drug company reps would hang around the hospital and take everyone out to party after work. They'd sling free samples by day, $1,000 bar/restaurant tabs at night, all expensed. And they made bank.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 271d
Yea... Those guys weren't selling vaccines...
shalafi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 271d
Moving goalposts? I was replying to:
And I gave an example of them bribing doctors.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
No, pointing out that no one is pushing vaxx for money. Lol.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
You're splitting hairs. When I go to the doc who says, "Look. I took money for a different drug from a different company, not for vaccines from this company," I'm more than little disgusted. So I can give a little understanding to someone who doesn't have the scientific background like I do when they dismiss the whole system as corrupt.
Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 271d
Yeah. .. but they are the same companies selling them this is well documented
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 271d
What fucking bribes?
village604@adultswim.fan · -1 pts · 271d
The ones pharmaceutical reps give.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 271d
I've got questions. So many questions.
Edit: unsurprisingly, they had no answers.
Do all scientists get universal bribe income (UBI) to hush up? Do they get bonus bribes when it's their turn to fabricate results? Holy shit, is this inadvertently the world's biggest UBI experiment? Who is being bribed not to release that data?
How do these bribes work? Do they specifically bribe researchers and all members of their peer review committees? Do they bribe lab assistants to ignore reported findings incongruent with their observed lab results?
How do these pharmaceutical reps keep other scientists from alerting the public after analyzing this fraudulent data or replicating similarly fraudulent experiments?
There are over nine million full-time researchers employed in science R&D worldwide. Even with what must be at least a trillion dollars in annual bribes, someone's bound to get a little drunk and say too much. Why don't any of them or the tens of millions of support staff blow the whistle on the whole deal?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 271d
Research scientists aren't bribed by pharmaceutical companies. That's not a thing.
village604@adultswim.fan · -1 pts · 271d
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had access to the financials of every research scientist in the US.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 271d
OK so let me get this straight: You believe that the overwhelming majority of scientists with intimate knowledge of mRNA vaccine technology are ALL part of a conspiracy that involves them all accepting bribes from big pharma in order to lie about its safety?
That's really just not how any of it works.
Even if it did exist in any capacity, there's no possible way that it would be able to be kept secret with so many people involved, not to mention the fact that there are still scientists with integrity (I would say most of them, in actuality) who would blow the whistle immediately.
I think you need to take a step back and try to take a critical look at the reasons why you would believe such a thing, and how you came to that conclusion. Because it has zero basis in reality, and the results of this kind of thinking literally leads to people (primarily children) dying or being otherwise impaired for life, for absolutely no reason.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 271d
The 'wellness' industry is considerably larger tha. The pharma industry and has almost no regulations
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 271d
People are legit asking me and methylene blue when I start talking about health science stuff. I immediately drop what I'm taking about and say "NO!". I mean just like at the people hawking it! Do you really think liver king is running in all 3 cylinders?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 271d
sounds like anti-vaccine excuse to me lol, if this how people trying to downplay thier anti-vaxx rhetoric.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 272d
"it's about the freedom to choose" reminds me of that scene in Thank You For Smoking (2005) where he explains how to defend the blatantly indefensible.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 271d
Honestly, it should be required viewing in school.
I know communications classes on the college level (or mine lol) are basically studies on the tobacco industry, but we should really be teaching that to younger people.
Especially with the access to information, disinformation, and every other kind that's out there.
unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 271d
So they’re idiots in real life as well?
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 271d
You know the cereal defense? That wasn't some random idea. That actually happened.
cyrano@piefed.social · 2 pts · 270d
Wtf