There are two types of dashes. One is the "n-dash" (or "en-dash"), which takes up one space, and is most often used to hyphenate words; and the other is the "m-dash" (or "em-dash) which takes up two spaces, and is most often used to bracket off parenthetical information within a sentence, like kind of a lighter weight parentheses. Em-dashes get used a lot in novels and other published writing that is subject to correction from a professional copy editor, but very rarely in the daily typing of regular people. So now when people see it getting used they just assume it must be a clanker.
A slight correction, en-dashes are used mostly to indicate ranges like MonāFri. Hyphens are a separate third thing, smaller than an en-dash.
- hyphen
ā en-dash
ā em-dash
They get their names originally from having the same width as the letter n or m respectively in typesetting (though not all fonts follow that necessarily).
This is how I've used them. Or I'll just put -- as a place holder and use the replace all function to change them when I finish. Luckily I've never had anyone accuse me of AI writing but it's probably a matter of time. I think the use of em-dash as the "telltale sign" of AI is silly. They're just more often used in research, documentation, and academics which the AI is heavily trained on. Obviously when average reddit Joe uses them frequently it's a bit of a red flag, so the context of the writing is key here. The AI uses it because it is widely and commonly used by humans.
I was checking out the online reviews of my dad's gastroenterologist the other day. The reviews all contained em-dashes although it was obvious just from the content that they were AI-generated. Dude is full of shit, ironically enough.
Our leadership made using and excelling at Copilot as one of our Key Results for upskilling, I make it point to make my code look as botty as possible to show how serious I'm about achieving the target šÆ
They add excessive logging too. I had cursor write some UI code and I thought my console was going to explode. Console logs each step of the way haha. I guess that's the easiest way for it to debug its own code
Fuck that stupid AI/AGI narrative, even if this is meant as a joke. They're LLMs. Some of them not even so large. A bunch of if statements with access to all the data that advertising companies like Google have harvested for decades.
Dude, Ive been writing for a couple of years now. And I use em dashes, probably because all the authors I like use them. As soon as this AI thing started doing it, everything Ive ever written turned into AI slop over night lol.
I wouldn't say never, but certainly not this century. Probably not the next one, either.
And at this point we might as well refer to it as something like "Machine Consciousness", because "AI" an any derivatives of it have been rendered garbage for actually talking about the sci-fi concept.
AI was never used to refer to human like intelligence anyway in the AI field. Like any form of computer āintelligenceā was called AI. Like chess machines or NPC logic in a game were called AI. It just needs to seem intelligent like the word artificial implies. Itās only now with these LLM peddling companies that suddenly the general public thinks AI refers to reaching human intelligence.
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N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 71 pts · 276d
A development this groundbreaking is definitely worth another 12-figure investment.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 276d
So is there a sea horse emoji or not?
Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au · 14 pts · 276d
wait, why isn't this a thing tho?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 25 pts · 276d
Because then we would need a pregnant male seahorse emoji and the world isn't ready for that.
Rose_Thorne@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 276d
That makes me want it more.
TommyJohnsFishSpot@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 275d
But we already have pregnant male humans...
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lacktoes_but_tolerant@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 275d
š¦ yes
Creosm@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 275d
Close enough š¤£
200ok@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 276d
I'm just mad I can't use dashes as punctuation anymore š«©
*Without it looking like I'm using chatgpt
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 276d
Now you can't write without using em-dashes or you'll be called a bot.
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 274d
Looking pretty sus there using a dash in emdash
CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 274d
Same. Same.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 275d
OpenAI in 2020: Proves its own models will never, ever, reach 95% human accuracy.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2001.08361
DeepMind: Corrects their math, limit is still <95% with Infinite power and training.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06701
Investors: "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"
jali67@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 275d
Totally not a bubble! Just a few thousand more data centers!
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 275d
Ok, what the heck is an em-dash?
Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 275d
There are two types of dashes. One is the "n-dash" (or "en-dash"), which takes up one space, and is most often used to hyphenate words; and the other is the "m-dash" (or "em-dash) which takes up two spaces, and is most often used to bracket off parenthetical information within a sentence, like kind of a lighter weight parentheses. Em-dashes get used a lot in novels and other published writing that is subject to correction from a professional copy editor, but very rarely in the daily typing of regular people. So now when people see it getting used they just assume it must be a clanker.
Thalfon@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 275d
A slight correction, en-dashes are used mostly to indicate ranges like MonāFri. Hyphens are a separate third thing, smaller than an en-dash.
- hyphen
ā en-dash
ā em-dash
They get their names originally from having the same width as the letter n or m respectively in typesetting (though not all fonts follow that necessarily).
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 275d
Thank you for this!!!!
Zapados@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 275d
M-dashes are super useful for setting off parentheticals nicely.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 275d
Thank you for the synopsis. However;
This is a clanker:
and this is software:
dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 275d
You should be able to figure it outāeven if you don't know what you're looking forāif you're sent the proper response ;)
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 275d
Didnāt even use em dashes lol
dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 275d
Lmao fat-fingered my keeb when typing. Edited my original comment. I should have coffee before posting first thing in the morning :)
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 275d
It's the tell that someone used an LLM to write the response.
TheMinister@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 275d
Thatās absurd. Iāve long used em dashes in writing. Itās not at all a tell. Plenty of people use them.
MrSmith@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 275d
Plenty = dozen.
Most just use n-dashes. M-dash doesn't even exist on most virtual keyboards.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 275d
A lot of software will autocorrect two hyphens into an em-dash, but it's not consistent everywhere.
Buffy@libretechni.ca · 5 pts · 275d
This is how I've used them. Or I'll just put -- as a place holder and use the replace all function to change them when I finish. Luckily I've never had anyone accuse me of AI writing but it's probably a matter of time. I think the use of em-dash as the "telltale sign" of AI is silly. They're just more often used in research, documentation, and academics which the AI is heavily trained on. Obviously when average reddit Joe uses them frequently it's a bit of a red flag, so the context of the writing is key here. The AI uses it because it is widely and commonly used by humans.
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 275d
Ok, but what is it and how is it different than a dash?
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 275d
I was checking out the online reviews of my dad's gastroenterologist the other day. The reviews all contained em-dashes although it was obvious just from the content that they were AI-generated. Dude is full of shit, ironically enough.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 275d
What is a search engine?
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 273d
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 19 pts · 275d
One of my colleagues submitted a PR with a bunch of emojis in the readmes and log statements and I'm just so infuriated with it.
wilfim@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 275d
I literally see it everywhere in my companies' documentation
pftbest@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 274d
I just made a CI pass to forbid non ASCII characters in the code. Found a lot of em dashes :(
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 4 pts · 274d
There are plenty of non ASCII characters that are okay in code. Ʊ comes to mind. There are also box drawing characters.
pftbest@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 274d
We don't use them in my project, I only added an exception for ©®⢠and such. You can easily whitelist any character range you need. My command looks like this:
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 3 pts · 274d
This is goofy, I'm not gonna fail a build because somebody used some random Unicode character. That's draconian.
sfgifz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 274d
Our leadership made using and excelling at Copilot as one of our Key Results for upskilling, I make it point to make my code look as botty as possible to show how serious I'm about achieving the target šÆ
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 275d
In the logs???
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 9 pts · 275d
Yeah, they used ā ļø in a warning.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 274d
They add excessive logging too. I had cursor write some UI code and I thought my console was going to explode. Console logs each step of the way haha. I guess that's the easiest way for it to debug its own code
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 275d
Just a few billion more..? š¤²
jali67@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 275d
I heard Altman wants a trillion $ bailout
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 9 pts · 276d
Fuck that stupid AI/AGI narrative, even if this is meant as a joke. They're LLMs. Some of them not even so large. A bunch of if statements with access to all the data that advertising companies like Google have harvested for decades.
Best_Jeanist@discuss.online · 4 pts · 275d
You're thinking of expert systems, an old form of AI from the 70s
Enzy@feddit.nu · 8 pts · 274d
I'm gonna use it manually but in the wrong ā places.
GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 274d
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com · 7 pts · 275d
Bad news, everyone: your AI detection skills are now useless. Every comment here including mine is AI slop.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 274d
Dude, Ive been writing for a couple of years now. And I use em dashes, probably because all the authors I like use them. As soon as this AI thing started doing it, everything Ive ever written turned into AI slop over night lol.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 275d
AGI is science fiction and never happening
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 275d
I wouldn't say never, but certainly not this century. Probably not the next one, either.
And at this point we might as well refer to it as something like "Machine Consciousness", because "AI" an any derivatives of it have been rendered garbage for actually talking about the sci-fi concept.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 274d
AI was never used to refer to human like intelligence anyway in the AI field. Like any form of computer āintelligenceā was called AI. Like chess machines or NPC logic in a game were called AI. It just needs to seem intelligent like the word artificial implies. Itās only now with these LLM peddling companies that suddenly the general public thinks AI refers to reaching human intelligence.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 274d
AI has been used to refer to human like intelligence in fiction for at least half a century.
kautau@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 276d
Wonder if you specify to use en dashes instead if it just collapses and the simulation resets
biofaust@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 275d
By now, I feel they are just straight trying to appeal to scammers.
CptOblivius@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 275d
Open ai is a joke.
itkovian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 276d
Yay. Next step... AGI.
AGI is a scam.